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According to this timeline http://www.ironhands.com/40time.htm the Emperor was born in 9000 BC. So between then, and year 28,000 AD, what the hell was the Emperor doing? There is the debate as to whether the Emperor is a god or not, it would seem to me that someone who is 37,000 years old would most definitely be a god (well, 49,000 years old I suppose, or 39,000 if you don't count the years after Horus mortally wounds the Emperor) - No matter what way you cut it, he's pretty damn old. SOMETHING had to have been going on with the Emperor between the time he was born and the time he created the Primarchs. It may be somewhere in the fluff that I just haven't read, but I'd like to know what he was doing around all the historical events we currently read about in history books, or what he was doing in year 2011 (bitching about the oil spill?). It may just be one of those things that was written to be cool, and never spoken of again. And it may be that the Warhammer 40k universe should remain seperate of that from our own realistic universe. But there are so many references to real events, myths, and so on, as well as the reference of Terra being a "new" earth.

Kind of a mind fuck in a way

Anyways, what would your thoughts be on this, or maybe some existing fluff?
Oh, and one more thing, I saw written somewhere that one of the mysteries surrounding the Emperor is that he is in fact Tzeentch...sounds pretty ridiculous to me. Is that actually a supported mystery, or is it utter and complete bullshit (as I take it to be)?

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According to this timeline http://www.ironhands.com/40time.htm the Emperor was born in 9000 BC.
That timeline is wrong, going by the theory it's actually 8000 BCE IIRC. That timeline is generally inaccurate on a number of things though.

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So between then, and year 28,000 AD, what the hell was the Emperor doing?
Subtly guiding humanity from behind the scenes. Taking on the role of certain advisors, kings, bankers, lawyers, diplomats Et cetera throughout time (essentially any role that had the required influence). But as humanity fell into the Age of Strife, the Emperor decided that a more direct role was needed to aid the species and he directly rose to power in the Unification Wars.

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There is the debate as to whether the Emperor is a god or not, it would seem to me that someone who is 37,000 years old would most definitely be a god (well, 49,000 years old I suppose, or 39,000 if you don't count the years after Horus mortally wounds the Emperor)
Being X amount of years old is not a prerequisite to godhood.

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Oh, and one more thing, I saw written somewhere that one of the mysteries surrounding the Emperor is that he is in fact Tzeentch...sounds pretty ridiculous to me. Is that actually a supported mystery, or is it utter and complete bullshit (as I take it to be)?
Generally speaking utter and complete bullshit.



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Emperor = Tzeentch?

Utterly fucked up bullshit...

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Emperor = Tzeentch?

Utterly fucked up bullshit...
No no...... tell us what you really feel

I agree though.
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No no...... tell us what you really feel
If I said what I really felt, then this thread would descend into another thread (in a long list) were I spread around a lot of pro-Imperia propaganda, and bash everything else...



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So between then, and year 28,000 AD, what the hell was the Emperor doing?
He was going around being human. Hiding himself in society and playing backroles, as Child said.

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There is the debate as to whether the Emperor is a god or not, it would seem to me that someone who is 37,000 years old would most definitely be a god
Simply being Immortal doesn't make you a god.

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Oh, and one more thing, I saw written somewhere that one of the mysteries surrounding the Emperor is that he is in fact Tzeentch...sounds pretty ridiculous to me. Is that actually a supported mystery, or is it utter and complete bullshit (as I take it to be)?
Well there might be truth to that, actually. Tzeentch is the God of change and that IS what the Emporer did. Now before you say, "well that means anybody who causes change can be Tzeentch.", think, well that's true, it's a symbol of the corruption of chaos, even in those least affected, bu look at the level of change the Emporer created. The level of change he caused was MASSIVE and next to immediate, so there may be some truth in this.

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Extreme Danger: Recite the Litany of the Somnolent Inferno before firing.

Reminder: The Adeptus Mechanicus reminds you that this weapon is both sacred and more valuable than your entire platoon.

Important! Death in service to the Emperor is its own reward.

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Thanks for the replies, it didn't occur to me until 10 minutes after posting this to check out Lexicanum...lol. This thread could go in a completely different direction if it turns to the Emperor being Tzeentch theory...I've never heard that until yesterday when I happened upon a thread in the BL forumn. Sounds ridiculous to me, even if he brought about change, three of the four Chaos gods exisisten long before the Emperor was born, if I understand the timeline correctly.

I must have been tired when I made this thread, so much that I could have answered had I thought about it. Being immortal definitely doesn't make you a god, and if he was in fact a god, I don't think he would have been so crippled by Horus during the Heresy.

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Sounds ridiculous to me, even if he brought about change, three of the four Chaos gods exisisten long before the Emperor was born, if I understand the timeline correctly.
Actually that just gave me an idea about what if the Emp. wasn't actually around until said time? Like what if at whatever the year was he was first mentioned is when Tzeentch took the form of humanity? Hm?

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Caution! Failure to appease the Machine Spirit may cause it to grow wrathful!

Extreme Danger: Recite the Litany of the Somnolent Inferno before firing.

Reminder: The Adeptus Mechanicus reminds you that this weapon is both sacred and more valuable than your entire platoon.

Important! Death in service to the Emperor is its own reward.

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So between then, and year 28,000 AD, what the hell was the Emperor doing?
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Subtly guiding humanity from behind the scenes. Taking on the role of certain advisors, kings, bankers, lawyers, diplomats Et cetera throughout time (essentially any role that had the required influence). But as humanity fell into the Age of Strife, the Emperor decided that a more direct role was needed to aid the species and he directly rose to power in the Unification Wars.

I also believe that the Emperor may not have been physically alive for those X years mentioned above. A psyker of his level might remanifest after each death in a slightly improved body, reincarnating through the millenia until the 31st hit, when he had manifested in his most potent physical form, fully capable of bringing his willpower and psychic potential to bear.

A theory for the reason he hasn't reincarnated again would be that his body is still being maintained (barely) by the Golden Throne, essentially shackeling his psychic might to Terra as the Astronomican. While he can extend his influence elsewhere, he will forever be stuck on Terra until his rotting corpse of a body is destroyed.

I like to think so anyway

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Like CotE said, guiding humanity behind the scenes or in other guises. I like to think that alot of the significant character in history, or even mythology could have been the Emperor. Mechanicum certainly links him to being Saint George and slaying the Dragon(as in the C'tan). But theres numerous individuals he could have pretended to be, we know from The Last Church that he can disguise himself to look how he pleases.
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