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post #1 of 145 (permalink) Old 11-21-10, 10:48 PM Thread Starter
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Fluff you absolutley HATE

For me its the emperor being the result of a shaman suicide fest, the old rogue trader era fluff stinks of eighties sci fi/fantasy lol.
Please god make the shaman origin no longer be considered canon, its just so corny.

Just rly wondering what parts of 40k fluff you hate and discard in your own minds version of 40kverse, for me its the shaman thing as already said. Also the statement that slaanesh was made by the eldar. Afterall dersire and excess already existed independently of the space elfs and a desire/pleasure entity would have form beforehand anyway.
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Just rly wondering what parts of 40k fluff you hate and discard in your own minds version of 40kverse, for me its the shaman thing as already said. Also the statement that slaanesh was made by the eldar. Afterall dersire and excess already existed independently of the space elfs and a desire/pleasure entity would have form beforehand anyway.
The eldar took it to the extreme and they had an empire that was the size of the eye of terror and they are major psykers. If they didn't exist slaanesh would of formed....just would be after 40k.

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Interesting topic.

I've always detested how the Emperor was such a dim-witted dad, and also how he hid knowledge about the Warp gods. Honestly, how the hell did not see the HH coming?

I respectfully disagree re eldar - my understanding is that the eldar became progressively worse with their activity re excess of desire/ emotion etc over a period of time, therefore it was not just the mere presence of eldar, but there increasing activity - pleasure cults, deaths etc - that led to the creation of Slaanesh. Im over-simplifying here.

And I have to say Ive always liked the idea of the shaman birth of the Emperor -its poetic to think of our ancients being able to do something we cant, and also explains comfortably why the Emperor was a one of a kind, never to be repeated. An issue very crucial to the balance of the 40k universe.
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Ardias- If Slannesh was never born, humanity on Terra would be stuck forever since the warp storms surrounding Terra would take ages to desist or stop. Also The Eldar race as a whole are psychically attuned in nature and to a higher degree more sensitive to the warp. They also feel and experience emotions at a much higher level then humanity does and can easily fall or lose control to any desires or obsessions.

Without Slannesh = no galaxy spanning human empire, Eldar race would still be the most dominant xeno's nation and their empire would probably rule for millions of more years till some other disaster befalls them. ( 40k story line would cease to exist beyond that point and GW would be out of business. Lol)

Anyways the Eldar simply speeded up the coming of Slannesh if anything. Without the Eldar Slannesh would be born millions of years later.

Darkoan- Its not like the Emperor had a "How to be a good dad" guide book to follow. lol and Like most parents, they are hardly aware of the condition there kids are in if they dont study and understand them. The Emperor never tried to understand all his children or primarchs and simply let them be and basically said "Hey you guys are the bearer of my legacy, now shut up, grow up, and conquer the galaxy for me."

A interesting thought has come up:

Did the beginning of psykers occur when the Emperor had many wives and mated and had kids which then had their own kids passing the psychic infused genes on to further generations?


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The eldar took it to the extreme and they had an empire that was the size of the eye of terror and they are major psykers. If they didn't exist slaanesh would of formed....just would be after 40k.
Actually their empire was galaxy-spanning, where the Eye of Terror now rests was just the 'heartland' of the empire.

As for Slaanesh being born of the Eldar, well yes obviously pleasure and excess was present prior to the decadence of Eldar civilisation - and Slaanesh has always existed within the warp to some degree. But it took the terrible extremes that the Eldar empire descended into to truly bring forth the Dark Prince.

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Ardias- If Slannesh was never born, humanity on Terra would be stuck forever since the warp storms surrounding Terra would take ages to desist or stop.
The whole reason for said warp storms (A.k.a Age of Stife) in the first place was because Slaanesh was coalescing thus causing turmoil within the warp. Her birth ended the warp storms, their rage having been spent with her birth but ultimately she (via the Eldar's decadence) was the cause for them in the first place.

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Without Slannesh = no galaxy spanning human empire, Eldar race would still be the most dominant xeno's nation and their empire would probably rule for millions of more years till some other disaster befalls them. ( 40k story line would cease to exist beyond that point and GW would be out of business. Lol)
Humanity was a galaxy-spanning race prior to Slaanesh bursting into divine consciousness, A.k.a Dark Age of Technology. And would generally probably be better off if it wasn't for the Age of Strife (which occured because Slaanesh was growing in power).

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Did the beginning of psykers occur when the Emperor had many wives and mated and had kids which then had their own kids passing the psychic infused genes on to further generations?
No, humanity (like most if not all races fostered by the Old Ones) has always been a psychically attuned race.

As for lore I don't like or enjoy - well it's not exactly lore, but I really don't like the term 'Space Marines' it just sounds terrible. Hence why you'll always see me referring to them as Astartes; Legio or Adeptus. And I'm glad at least one BL author (ADB) agrees with me on this one and takes the same stance.



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Honestly, how the hell did not see the HH coming?
There was no way he could've not seen it coming, which leads one to believe perhaps the whole thing was intended.


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Sisters of Battle. What is there purpose but to give Ordo Hereticus something to drool over.
And what with the skintight armor?

Rouge traders. They can just make marines go with them to explore new worlds. How does that work?
"Hollo there...Mr. Ultramarine, you are comming with me now. Along with you Sr. Space Wolf. What was that? You want to serve your chapter and primarch? Tough shit, I'm your primarch, and the guy next to you is your chapter."

The Imperial Dating System. What retard thought that up?

Loken 'dieing'.

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Sisters of Battle. What is there purpose but to give Ordo Hereticus something to drool over.
And what with the skintight armor?
They exist because by Imperial Decree the Ministorum can't have 'Men under Arms' so the Church obeys the letter, if not the spirit, of the law by having the Adepta Sororitas.
The armour is hardly skin tight, it's bulky power armour it just so happens that it's not as bulky as Astartes power armour.

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Rouge traders. They can just make marines go with them to explore new worlds. How does that work?
"Hollo there...Mr. Ultramarine, you are comming with me now. Along with you Sr. Space Wolf. What was that? You want to serve your chapter and primarch? Tough shit, I'm your primarch, and the guy next to you is your chapter."
Except Rogue Traders can't make Astartes come with them, some Traders might have ancient pacts and binding oaths with certain Chapters but they have no authority over the Adeptus Astartes.

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The Imperial Dating System. What retard thought that up?
You mean the Galactic standard dating system? Makes a great deal of sense.
A Terran standard year will be split into 1,000 equal segments, then you have the century and year followed finally by the millennium.
Example: 989997.M41- would be the 989th 'day' of the 997th year of the 41st millennium.


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Loken 'dieing'.
What are you annoyed about, that he seemed to die or that he didn't actually die?
I don't understand, after all in the grand scheme of things he's not an important character.
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The entire DOW2 novel. The first omnibus was shit but at least Goto didn't kill of characters that were supposed to appear in the fucking expansion. Or change nearly the entire storyline for that matter.

The human appendix. Proof of a higher power. A divine kill switch so to speak.

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I hate the fluff of Space Marines bowing down to the Ultramarines. It just feels lame, like GW was tring to justify using the UMs as their poster boys.

I'm also not a fan of the fluff behind Chaos itself, it doesn't feel right. We have aspects missing, gods who should be stronger aren't, and why there is no positive warp beings.

Given how much everything in the universe changes over time, one would think that Tzeentch is the strongest god by far, yet he is not. Everytime an artisan creates something or someone feels pleasure Slaanesh gets stronger.

Why wouldn't Tzeentch, who also covers the aspect of Hope, have beings that can affect things in a positive way. Everything that he covers is mostly netural in aspect, yet he only seems to do evil things.
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