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post #11 of 38 (permalink) Old 03-27-08, 09:48 PM
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very well put! The Dark Eldar also have a better understandin of the warp by means of transportation. HAHA, I'll jsut open up a portal right here and let my entire army tramble all over you!

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They're actually still using the webway for the use of portals, they simply open a gateway to the webway tunnels where their units are waiting. Dark Eldar still avoid the warp as much as any other Eldar.
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Shurikan weapons could also be described as a shotgun. A shotgun that fires molecular size disks. Woo-hoo.

Eldar tech also relies heavily on wraithbone, and spirit stones. Plus, most of Eldar technology, isn't technology. It's magic. Think about it. How do Eldar make vehicles? They sing wraithbone into shape. How does Iyanden continue to fight? They have a host of undead spirits trapped in wraithbone armor.

Meanwhile, the Tau BUILD the things they use, piece by piece. Seeing as the best and brightest of Eldar "technology" is a Fire Prism, which is in all regards an oversized Lascannon, I'd say the Ion Cannon beats it for higher tech.

The Tau do have one critical failing though: They are not able to use Warp travel. But then again, neither are the Eldar. The Eldar (and their more fascinating and highly unpleasent cousins) use the Webway instead. But this also raises the question, does the Webway go everywhere? Would the Eldar be unable to use it to go anywhere?

So, with both the failings in mind, the Eldar are more advanced, yes, but the Tau have better technology.

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Who's more advanced technologically, eldar or tau? Not in terms of game rules or anything but in fluff.
This is a fairly ambiguous question. It's like asking whether or not Japan or America is more advanced in Technologies. Japan is by far ahead in the field of Robotics, but America is ahead in the field of Silcon.

Both the Tau and the Eldar are advanced in various ways, each having certain advantages over the other. While Eldar have a better understanding of the Warp and can utilize it to greater extents, the Tau's knowledge of Mecha far surpasses anything in the galaxy, save with the guarded knowledge of the Machine Cult.

Tyranid aren't exactly advanced, since their "technologies" reside primarily in bio-engineering, exceeding every other race we know of. But a Venon Cannon will tear through infantry as easily as a rail-gun.

One also has to consider Orks, who inherently know how to build, operate and loot/modify other races vehicles. They could construct their own Mecha, albieght with their own unique dangerous, that would work just as well as Tau Mecha, in Orc opinion anyway.

As far as Eldar "magic" is concerned, anything beyond what we understand is usually attributed to magic. Travel back to the age of smithing with a blow tourch and they'd thinkg you were the devil himself. "Singing" could easily be considered harmonically based/tuned technologies. (Kind of nifty if you think about it)

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IMO the Tau in terms of making stuff out of raw materials like Battlesuites (I know the Eldar have like warwalker things that a pilot can get in but they look like really bad chicken walkers and aren't much of an actual suit.) and Railguns and things to anihilate the enemy the Tau seem more advanced.

But then again manipulating the warp like the Eldar do with D-Cannons and making the webway (Back when they knew how to anyway) has/had to require quite a high level of techonology don't you think?

Also supposedly Eldar Wraithbone is stronger than Adamantium. Anyone else heard this?
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Also supposedly Eldar Wraithbone is stronger than Adamantium. Anyone else heard this?
That would explain the Wraithlords ability to survive just about anything

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Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it isn't scientifically founded. Sufficiently advanced tech, is, after all, indistinguishable from magic. that Tau technology is understandable is just proof that it is not nearly so advanced.

Technological superiority in 40K goes something in this order.

Kroot are the lowest tech race. They have a second-hand understanding of Orkish technology.

Orks are next. They have crude technology that can't actually function on its own merit.

Chaos has some human technology, but their understanding of it has devolved as their own tech relies much on the rules of a fundamentally different universe to the main one. I would hesitate to call anything manufactured in the warp technological as warp technology does not rely on concrete analysis and application of laws.

Humans and Tau are roughly equatable. Human technology runs the gamut from sticks with rocks tied on to single examples that approach the Eldar's lower technology levels. This range makes it very hard to calculate some sort of mean technology level. Tau have more examples of more 'sleek' technology, but I would hesitate to call most of it more advanced. It is simply applied in a more useful way because of a lack of mysticism. Tau also have a lower technology peak, and significant gaps, namely any warp-based tech.

Eldar are much more advanced than either. Their technology has plateaued before humanity existed, and has advanced beyond ability to comprehend. Most significantly, their wap-based technology has advanced to the point where it is integrated into the most basic functionings of their society.

Tyranids are easily forgotten. However lacking they may be in their other fields, they are masters of biotechnology to such an extent that no other species is remotely comparable. Since they have evolved along a different technological path comparison is difficult, but they have clearly reached the absolute limits of biotechnology. I would put them around or above the Eldar as they have pushed their primary field of technological advance further.

The C'tan, sinc they provided the Necrons with their technology, are the undisputed masters of technology. This is expected, as their comprehension and mastery of the physical universe is equatable to the Chaos god's mastery of their own.
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The C'tan, sinc they provided the Necrons with their technology, are the undisputed masters of technology. This is expected, as their comprehension and mastery of the physical universe is equatable to the Chaos god's mastery of their own.
I thought the technology was originally created by the Necrontyr but the C'tan could manipulate it in ways they could not understand?

Certainly the original necrodermis bodies of the C'tan were created by the Necrontyr.
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Not in the codex they didn't. The C'tan directed the technological evolution of the Necrontyr along the lines of pure science until their scientific mastery bordered on the metaphysical. Without the C'tan they would never have had it.
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