If you read Soul Hunter, or Lord of the Night, I can't remember which, I believe Konrad talks about his father telling him to use his methods of terror to bring uncompliant worlds into compliance then punishing him for it. I've seen nowhere were it says the Emperor didn't.
Off the top of my head (please correct me if I'm wrong), "Soul Hunter" and "Lord of the Night" both suggest that the Emperor sanctioned
the Night Haunter's actions.
I admit my question amounts to nothing but conjecture, but I'm curious as to whether the Haunter simply abused what lee-way all the Primarchs got in terms of getting compliance. Perhaps it was also a case of "business as usual until someone tells you otherwise". Maybe even "silence equals sanction?"
I mean, unless the Haunter was sharing a battlefield with someone, who exactly was going to report him to the Emperor--the world he just complied?
On the other hand, we know that Dorn flipped out when he saw what the Haunter did (see "The Dark King"), and it would seem that his reports were one of the reasons why he was initially sanctioned.
Chaos didn't brainwash anyone. Erebus converted Horus more than the ruinous powers.
After Horus was struck by the anatheme and exposed to Chaotic rituals on Davin. His conversion was hardly lucid, never mind informed.
Magnus willingly made a deal with Tzeentch. He didn't know who was dealing with but he wasn't forced.
Sure he was. His Legion was re-mutating right in front of his eyes (Tzeentch being the cause for the first round of mutations as well, undoubtedly), his planet was being exploded, and Leman Russ had just struck his eye. On top of all that, Russ was doing what he was doing due to Horus' manipulation. I'd say Magnus was pushed to a corner.
Absolutely nothing prior to the attack on Prospero indicated Magnus wanted (A) to side with Chaos or (B) attack the Emperor.
Fulgrim was possessed, yes. But who put that sword in his hand? Horus. Not one of the great 4.
Come now. Erebus, Kor-Phaeron, Lorgar, and a host of other individuals, were acting on a plan to bring about a dominion of Chaos, and ...
And the Chaos gods were sought out by the Emperor for creation of the Primarchs. He made a deal with them he had no intention in honoring. Hence why the gods scattered them. So yeah, Lorgar was touched by the gods. All of them were.
First, that's Chaos' side of things. Second, that they were all touched to some extent is neither here nor there. The point is that they were hardly willing (or sane, in Angron's case) converts.
Of course the World Eaters were raving lunatics at Isstvan. With their implants would it not be normal to be utterly savage in combat?
Nope, remember "Galaxy in Flames"? Remember Kharn, talking of the "Eight-Fold Path" right before he takes on Loken? Remember Loken talking about how Bizarro Chaos-Kharn was nothing like the man he met on the 'Vengeful Spirit'?
Of course the Thousand Sons were mutating. They were channeling the warp. No one forced them to or tricked them into using sorcery.
No doubt about that. Hence the Emperor warning Magnus. But there's no denying that Tzeentch was intent on screwing them over all along, without letting them know about it.
What happened there is like the equivalent of your mother telling you not to mess around with drugs; you deciding you're going to experiment with some "harmless" stuff; a stalker loading your supply with radio-active waste and ground glass; and then that same stalker sending a berserke vigilante posse to burn your house down.
Really had the Emperor told his children of the warp and the gods that dwelled within and been honest about what he knew he would have headed the whole thing off.
Agree to disagree!
Lorgar and his guys...
Given that, I can TOTALLY see why the Emperor was trying to keep it all on the down-low. How would it have gone any better had he told Lorgar
of all people?
"Hey buddy... I know I pretty much stand in direct opposition to what you think is paramount in your existence... but I wanted to let you know that there are four super-powerful gods who pretty much are the embodiment of your beloved planet's religion. Please don't seek them out, though, since they're also super-evil. Just take my word for it."
The Emperor's agenda came down to removing the threat of Chaos from Humanity through inhuman means. No one says he was perfect, but I don't see how someone could assert that he was trying propogate his own ambitions.
"The First Heretic" pretty much spells out the 40k correlation between religion and Chaos. The intent would appear to be to remove that easy link/access to Chaos (and vice versa). Lorgar's feelings aside, I don't see how the Emperor's agenda in any way was leading toward self-deification. Had the Imperium not been turned upside-down, witnessed the absolutely demonic, supernatural and otherworldly, and then left with a huge void in its champion ascending to an undying sleep, any effort by the Emperor to secure himself a god-head would have been perceived as massively arrogant.
Lions seek out other male lions of different prides and murder them and all their offspring. Then take all the females. No agenda huh?
I suppose, if you consider securing exclusive rights to hunting grounds and breeding groups an agenda...
As to the final paragraph, absolutely. I don't want to come off as heavy-handed or dismissive. It's fun to disagree on this stuff, because it just exposes you to different view points and ideas.