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Hows the moral in the regiment and kind of troopers are there? Like are they well behaved like many Cadians, diciplined like Catachans or rough like Tanith? Or plainly whipped by Commissars constantly? Are there any commissars present?

And you said they had their history with Astartes? Was it positive or negative?
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The morale of the Hestian Guard is relatively high, the entire planet is reliant on them for protection as it takes too long for the Astartes to arrive and they're often unsupported by the rest of the Emperors army. the conditions itself on the planet make it a constant test of survival, from extreme droughts, insane hurricanes and year long monsoons, huge beasts that fill the vast expanse of jungle, giant Volcanoes almost visible from space causing evacuations on a regular basis to protect the citizens.

The army rarely needs Commissars, they trust their survival and victory Solely in sr Ofc. Duncan, who's lead them to many great victories against Orks, Chaos Marines, Heretics, Bandits, and even Tyranids. theyre very disciplined and tough, theyre battle hardened and vigilant in their duty to protect the planet.

The Hestian Guard emulate the marines constantly in an effort to enforce stronger battle tactic and better defenses for the planet. Duncan realized the only way for the Guard to survive on this hellhole was to adapt to the land and use it against the enemy, the same tactic he learned when the Astartes appeared on their planet to stop the Chaos Marines.

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I'm now thinking of adding a Bio for my Master of Ordinance;

Master of Ordinance Sir Edgar Donnellan
501st 'Donnellans Ground Pounders'

Artillery is a very important job on Hestia as they often have to employ Scorched Earth tactics to defeat large numbers of enemies, the Guard always have some form of artillery on the field to provide the devestating blow required to cripple the enemy.

Edgar Donnellan is a grizzly of a man, countless stories of grim actions performed by he and his company have cemented his name as the 'Messenger of Death', Donnellan has been entrusted by Duncan that by any means necessary, the Scurges of the universe will not leave this planet alive.

Edgar's almost silent gaze upon the battlefield is a testament to those nightmares, watching men burn alive as hell rains down upon overtaken positions. entire regiments gladly sacrificing themselves to stall the enemy long enough for the Hail of Steel that Donnellan so accurately strikes upon the enemy, Others would run in Cowardice and fear to escape the inferno, but few ever made it (and if they did, they were disgraced amongst thier fellow soldiers, these men are often reffered to as the 'Faceless' for their actions, and are rarely sent out into combat again)

Edgar's tactics work hand in hand with Duncans extreme use of fast mechanized warfare, the 501st perform almost hand in hand with the 39th in an operation they call 'Wounded Knee' in which the Artillery will mecilessly pound an enemy advance, striking their most vulnerable and important tactical advantages before they reach the Guard crippling the advance at all costs (even if it means the loss of a few men). although Duncan is often very concerned for the survival of his dwindling forces, he relies on Edgars almost robotic intellect and reasoning to ensure that his own emotions do not stop them from achieving victory.

Among Donnellans forces, he has a somewhat unusual love of the Basilisk Cannons of which he fields the most. the long range and highly explosive nature of this weapon is almost a natural fit for the Masters strategy, the Bow of the Hestian Guard, it strikes before the enemy can even see them. the second common artillery piece on the field is often the Medusa, used strictly in offensive situations, the Medusa is driven almost directly at the enemy, usually with Demolishers as Bodyguards, and fires into the heart of enemy forces to crush anything and everything, armor, infantry, and all. This strategy is known as the 'Goliath Fist' and tends to be very promising when dealing with larger forces, allowing the medusa less chances to miss an enemy target.

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A couple of points/comments.

The unit above is described as a "Garrison" one... but Garrison units are not ones for taking to the field (their duty being to, well, run and police garrisons), and it would take an odd sort of situation for such a unit to be a maneuver, mechanized force. Furthermore, where the title is concerned, once a PDF unit becomes an Imperial Guard Regiment, they inevitably are moved from planet to planet and thus cease to be very "garrison-like".

I know you mentioned that the the world they are based on, Hestia, is rather important and that this merits their permanent presence there... I'd focus more on that, to drive home the idea that Hestia is not just valuable--it's a permanent battlefield!

Where the Irregulars are concerned... I didn't really get the impression that they were that irregular. They would strike me as fairly solid light infantry, but that would raise the question of how they go about fighting alongside a mechanized, armored regiment. They'd have to have some sort of transport themselves, right, which would make them a sort of armored grenadiers or what have you.

Not that you have to take my word for it! Call them what you wish, make their title hearken back to what they used to be. Maybe they were Irregulars that were piece-mealed together during an emergency some age ago, and put to serve the 39th (who might have secretly resented such a force being part of their august tradition). Maybe now, having become a proper supporting force for the 39th's armored, mobile way of warfare, they are called the 101st Mechanized Irregulars--an odd title that reflects both their role (they'd need some sort of transport!) and their history (when they were once a rabble).

More established Guard regiments might hold their noses up at them, thinking them rabble still, only to be surprised by their effectiveness and combat ability.

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theyre irregulars because they tend to constanty be reshuffled, as i mentioned earlier the Hestian Guard has very few soldiers, what once was a very large garrisson has become a smaller, more mechanized veteran force, the squads they do have often become so broken or distorted that they have to be reformed with existing squads, causing the Regiment to have almost no definitive number or strength, as it is subject to change with required Drafts and casualties.

it is true that as a 'garrisson' force, Hestia's guard tend to be very offensive, but this is because they tend to work similarly to modern day National Guard in the US, they have to respond to every percievable threat, from Planetary Disasters to the Forces of the Universe. whenever the planet is under an invasion, the Guard have to strike with full force, as they tend not to have enough forces to maintain a regular garrisson of the planet, and Reinforcements will likely not make it before the planet is overwhelmed.

Beyond that, The reason i seperated the 39th from the Irregulars is because they technically would be divided into Regiments, technically there are 'More' regiments on Hestia, these just happen to be particular ones in question, the 'Irregulars' are a Veteran Regiment that is specifically attached to the 39th Mechanized.

but you are right, in reality they probably wouldn't be named this way, Part of me named them like this out of ignorance, and partly because it sounds cool, i'm glad to take any naming suggestions you have :D Garrisson i just used as a term because they live specifically on Hestia (this is also to avoid any kind of Story innacuracies, as I am TERRIBLE at remembering all of WH40k story). basically, they Live and Die here as far as the 40k universe goes, say like a massive volcanic eruption causes a global catastrophy and annihilates the Forgeworld, in any case, it's a Blip on the historic Radar, and thus i didn't want them to be travelling around the galaxy fighting badguys, they just fight here, lol. (think 'The Force Unleashed' canon strategy)

I could call the Regiment anything else, but the 39th stays seperate as it's part of Hestias military background, Mechanized Warfare. (theres also the 501st, which are specifically Artillery)

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If you're looking for something to generate your own ideas, I'd recommend you do a cursory Google search of British Regimental titles. They still have the fanciest/old-school naming conventions for their units. Some of them had their origins as Household Guards or Watch units, which might suit your flavor of a planet-based Guard Regiment.

I made the comment that I did about Irregulars because the term historically has mostly been used for non-standard units, outside of a regular army's structure. Paramilitary forces, guerillas, peasants put unto a battlefield without uniforms or standardized equipment, tactics, etc., are considered Irregulars.

Hence why I was saying the title could have been continued as a sort of nod to their history (perhaps a heap of rag-tag militias that were marshaled together in an emergency, under a historic, heroic, personage).
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oh no i totally respect and thank you for the information! don't excuse your comment ;) you're absolutely right, like i said, i don't know enough about military stuff to know the reason behind an 'irregular' force, i just named them that! lol.

I'll change the regiments name, probably to Mechanized Cavalry or something along those lines, i'll do more research, otherwise, it's cool man! thank you for the advice

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Ok, had them changed, thanks for noticing BTW my stolen British Regiments ;) It's a long story but the 39th Blackwatch (Now 42nd Regiment of Foot) are kind of a favorite of mine. I figured I'd give them the glory of bieng my Mechanized Regiment, notice too the very Scottish and Irish sounding names, this is a homage to my own Heritage as i'm an Irish/Scott descendant :D.

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Aw, man, I wasn't digging at your British regimental names. Sure, I noticed them, but they're perfectly valid!

Ultimately, do what feels right, cool, and apropos for your army. If someone like me comes around asking questions, I'd simply think about how you can fit this into your storyline (hence the example I offered). One of the reasons people like the Tanith, for instance, is because they are outside of the standard mold and don't subscribe to the standard "we all wear the same great-coat/Cadian-pattern flak armor and carry the same lasgun" bit. So doing something outside the book--whether it's a garrison unit becoming a tank spearhead, or a bunch of ragged conscripts evolving into a crack mechanized infantry unit--can be solid gold, both in terms of having something fresh and telling a neat story while you're at it.

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haha, while thats true, i didn't intend for them to be 'rag tag', they are, in every sense of the word, Professionals and Grizzled Veterans, they just tend to have high casualty rates from the planet AND the enemy, i wanted them to seem more like persevering than struggling underdogs, the Hestian's are bold and vicious, agressive and doctrinated, they pledge all loyalty to the Emperor and Duncan for survival, knowing that they are the only two things that will help them get out alive

most of the character is in Duncan and Donnellan. Duncan is a heartfilled general with a deep devotion to his duty and his men, his stoic behavior is the weight of a thousand or more dead men that have been under his service, he's quiet in definition as far as the dossier goes, but in reality (or, Pseudo Reality) he's a very kind leader with a bold and booming strength in his voice that is easy to inspire and bring hope to his men, even now he gives Oratories of the greatness of the Imperium and the strength and will in the Hestian Guard, his famous words etched into Tank Hulls and Lasguns alongside those of the emperor (of course, not as holy!).

Donnellan is the opposite side of that horror, he is calm, calculative, and efficient, war has made him a shell of perfected violence. his emotionless scowl hides no inner feeling, no remorse, he is just a construct, a weapon of war to be used. Edgars words too though are famous for their cynical take on War and its casualties, reminding men that this is reality, and nothing, not even pretty words or fantasy lands of Heaven or Hell can change that.

i wasn't saying you were digging at my Refferences either (Man, you are WAY too defensive :D) I'm glad you noticed! lol, as well as the 501st bieng the famous Star Wars Imperial Regiment under Lord Vader

read the new Dossier, i think it's good now and ready to be posted on my FB!

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