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I am wondering if the Aurelian is planning his ascension into godhood further proving that his way was the right way ?

He is unswayed by leanings toward any existing Chaos god, and I would think that at some point, maybe thinking that since the strongest emotions became gods at some point maybe he could do the same.

I have been seeing that Chaos is home to many many gods (not sure if this has changed), and the big 4 just are the biggest, maybe he is planning how to consume/subsume one of them.

The god of faith would be a good example, since both faith (not only in a higher being(humans, Eldar, Orks), but faith in duty (humans,eldar, tau) and many many more types of faith are just as powerful as lust, rage, anger etc.

'Death is nothing compared to vindication.'

Let them HATE, so long as they fear.
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I don't think that's possible due to the fact that now that Lorgar is a Daemon Prince he inevitably intertwined with the Chaos Gods' as a servant or rather a slave since they have ultimate say over their daemonic minions, even if one is not necessarily allied to one God. Not to mention that all of Lorgar's faith in the Chaos Gods would also mean he wouldn't have much ambition than he has now, since being a Daemon Primarch is pretty much one of the most powerful beings in the 40K universe anyways. As for the faith, the problem is even though HE has a lot of it he himself doesn't exactly get a lot of faith from his others, sure the Word Bearers definitely follow him fanatically but number that is very small compared to countless numbers of others who worship others, like the Emperor or the Chaos Gods. Hell, if any one was to become a Chaos God (or just God) it would be Emperor, 10, 000 years of people having faith as a GOD in him is something Lorgar could never hope to match.

My advice to you is to get married, if you have a good wife you'll be happy; if you get a bad one you'll become a philosopher.

In the grim darkness of the future the economy has even hit daemons, The Changeling is working at White Castle and Skarbrand is giving head in the alley next to Fateweaver's.You ever receive fellatio from a rhyming demon? It's a bad scene man.

Sticking your junk into a fang-filled mouth that breathes fire doesn't strike me as particularly smart.
Which is why that option should be available to any willing to take it.

In fact, there should be fang-faced, firebreathing demons on every streetcorner offering to pay 100 dollars to give BJ's. The gene pool would be vastly better off without anyone incapable of thinking it through.
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Lorgar cant become a god. He's already at full Chaos potential being a Daemon prince. One can't simply 'become' a god. God's are just that, gods. God's have always existed, they didn't 'become' them. Slaanesh while different, was 'born' a god. He/She did not 'become' one. In fact, while we stipulate that the only being in the 40k universe that could become a god is the emperor, that is simply guesswork and theories. If he was to die, there is no concrete evidence he would even become a god.

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Lorgar is said to support Chaos undivided, does that mean he venerated all 4 gods as individuals or Chaos itself as a singular entity?

Also it has not been said how he was elevated to Daemonhood, he and Peturabo are not followers of any of the 4 Chaos gods, and no singular god would elevate a Daemon Prince without having them be aligned to them, considering the competition between the four Gods, that would make no sense.


You said Slaanesh different, how so ?

The emotions that powered Slaanesh have always existed, they just reached a point that allowed him/her to take consciousness from the melange of emotion that makes up chaos to my knowledge.

This is speculation, not saying it is fact, but I would imagine that since he has NO loyalty to the big 4 whatsoever, and no one knows exactly who elavated him to Daemonhood that he would be able to pretty much do what he wants.

He took leave of his legion before after his first Crisis of faith, now after his change of faith and it's vindication he took another leave.

I would like to imagine that he is up to something.

And please don't say BL would not allow it, I know that, part of the fun of the background is that we can speculate on what would happen, since the current timeline in WH40K is kinda static.

As far as faith goes, faith is faith undirected. When ultramarines slay orcs they empower Khorn, just by spilling blood and being proud of their martial ability. You do no have to say "Blood for the Blood God", just the very act of spilling blood gives Khorn power so to speak.

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Every act of violence gives Khorne power, whether committed by his followers or by enemies
The Imperium gives Khorne ridiculous amounts of power, they don't do it willing to empower him, but that is just the way it is.

So faith, even directed at a Deity, or directed to faith in purity of duty, or faith in the truth of "the greater good" is still faith. And that should empower something in the warp.

'Death is nothing compared to vindication.'

Let them HATE, so long as they fear.
The Imperium is as a gargantuan creature, dying slowly and in great pain, too massive to realise it is as yet a lumbering corpse.

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You said Slaanesh different, how so ?

The emotions that powered Slaanesh have always existed, they just reached a point that allowed him/her to take consciousness from the melange of emotion that makes up chaos to my knowledge.
exactly, the emotions were there (pain, pleasure, etc). but the God Slaanesh itself for all intensive purposes was not yet 'born'. Thus he/she did not exist for all time like the other 3 Chaos gods. Thats why Slaanesh is a special case. I have no idea what was feeding on these emotions prior to Slaanesh's birth. Or even if thats why Slaanesh was born? All the emotions being unconsumed condensing up within the warp till a God was born to devour them? Yeah... no idea.

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So faith, even directed at a Deity, or directed to faith in purity of duty, or faith in the truth of "the greater good" is still faith. And that should empower something in the warp.
The warp is a ocean of emotions and feelings. Faith is not a emotion or a feeling. it is simply a 'belief in something without proof'. That is not something a God or warp creature can feed upon. Faith can bring about the feelings of love, pride, happiness. But there would be Daemons feeding on these emotions already. Daemon's an eternity old and far more powerful than Lorgar.

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Bloodshed is not emotion either, spilling blood has a bunch of emotion attached to it, anger, joy, lust, envy, some times no emotion at all. Yet the act itself is what powers Khorn.

So they seem to feed off more than emotion.

Cunning is not emotion either, and neither is knowledge, or decay but those aspects empower respective gods.

I am sure I read that there was a bunch more gods, and that the big 4 were strongest of them all, if so then is a possiblity that some event can happen in future to tip the balance.

'Death is nothing compared to vindication.'

Let them HATE, so long as they fear.
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you have some good points there. Might need to look up what Chaos gods feed on, emotions or souls, or both. im confused.

Back to Lorgar... he still cant become a god. No mortal can.


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Back to Lorgar... he still cant become a god. No mortal can.
Well, from what I gather from some of the fluff concerning Ahriman, there is supposedly a means to turn yourself into a warp god or something equivalent, but it's being guarded in the Black Library of Chaos.

The human appendix. Proof of a higher power. A divine kill switch so to speak.

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Back to Lorgar... he still cant become a god. No mortal can.
What about the corpse god? The carrion emperor? Surely he has more in common with mortals than the gods.

Daemon princes are demi gods anyway, they just don't go overboard in saying their gods as the 4 main gods didlike that attitude, and they inevitably punish the arrogant prince
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I don't see the physical spilling of blood to be particularly important to Khorne, rather it is the storm of emotion that surrounds one who has given themselves to Khorne. Especially Beserkers, who are full of the purest hate, the type of emotion that Khorne particularly feeds on. Look at the act of prayer for many RL religions; it's not the physical act of bowing, or kneeling, or swaying that is important. It is what is going on in the mind of the pray-er is the important thing.
That's what chaos worship all boils down to- the emotion raised in an organism going on to feed the chaos god, via the mechanism of an act that causes that emotion. Or something like that.
The closest the Emperor gets to mortals is that he had the physical form of a human. After that, no dice.

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