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Ok, if a Space Marine Chapter was devastated, say 50% casualties, with geneseed unrecoverable, but they were deemed worthy of being rebuilt... how would they go about it?

Would they remove the second progenoid from the living Space Marines, and slowly rebuild?

Would they use slaves like how the original 1,000 were created, slowly replicating them?

Would the High Lords of Terra gift them additional geneseed to rebuild their numbers, creating a mix of geneseed?

Combination of all three, depending on the Chapter, era, what side of bed people woke up on?

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Typically they'd use whatever means they could, but it would undoubtedly be a slow process. The Ultramarines took several centuries to recover their lost First Company to full strength after the first Tyrannic War.


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I read on LEX that prior to the heresy that the Imperial Fists had clashed with the Alpha Legion many times but the nature of these clashes were unknown.

Just wondered if anyone has any info on this?


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Would they remove the second progenoid from the living Space Marines, and slowly rebuild?
They can't do this. A SM without his progenoid begins to slowly die. And some Chapters (the Silver Skulls being one) no longer consider that person a Space Marine.

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Would they use slaves like how the original 1,000 were created, slowly replicating them?
Possible, but I haven't read where a Chapter (as opposed to others) have done this. It would just be easier to recruit and implant scouts, that way you're building your effective forces up.

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Would the High Lords of Terra gift them additional geneseed to rebuild their numbers, creating a mix of geneseed?
Each Chapter does give over a 5% tithe, so they could request their own geneseed from the stockpile. Whether this could happen, I don't know.

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They can't do this. A SM without his progenoid begins to slowly die. And some Chapters (the Silver Skulls being one) no longer consider that person a Space Marine.
This is being discussed in another thread, so I'm not going to say it isn't possible. That there isn't enough information, and what there is seems to conflict. So it might be possible, might not be.

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They can't do this. A SM without his progenoid begins to slowly die. And some Chapters (the Silver Skulls being one) no longer consider that person a Space Marine.
Not heard that before. As soon as they're matured they can be removed without detriment as far as I know.


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Possible, but I haven't read where a Chapter (as opposed to others) have done this. It would just be easier to recruit and implant scouts, that way you're building your effective forces up.
The slaves are how a Chapter is created in the first place, thousands of humans are implanted with geneseed and the various organs are harvested ready to be surgically implanted in aspirants in a newly founded Chapter.
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Speaking of those slaves.... how do the numbers work out? I mean, I read it takes over half a century(i saw 55 years) to create those 1,000.

Given that progenoids absorb the genes from other organs, are all organs implanted? I guess then they don't follow the strict protocols regarding implantation?

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Not heard that before. As soon as they're matured they can be removed without detriment as far as I know.
The OP is referring to the second progenoid, so the SM would actually have no progenoid left.

In the Gildar Rift, the Silver Skulls actually discuss what they're going to do with one of their own, which this happens to. I haven't come across another similar situation, but I haven't read all of Black Library (yet ).


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The slaves are how a Chapter is created in the first place, thousands of humans are implanted with geneseed and the various organs are harvested ready to be surgically implanted in aspirants in a newly founded Chapter.
Not disputing that, but the OP is asking about an existing Chapter, not a new one.

Considering the ritual and tradition that has built up around the implantation process in every Chapter I've read about, I can't see (not saying it isn't possible) a Chapter implanting slaves when they can just implant initiates/novitiates and begin rebuilding immediately.


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Speaking of those slaves.... how do the numbers work out? I mean, I read it takes over half a century(i saw 55 years) to create those 1,000.
This is usually the number of years cited. Which is why I think it would make more sense for an understrength Chapter to recruit and implant initiates to rebuild their scout and reserve companies as soon as possible. Since even being understrength is no excuse not to go out on missions.


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Given that progenoids absorb the genes from other organs, are all organs implanted? I guess then they don't follow the strict protocols regarding implantation?
I don't believe all organs are implanted since that would make the slave (I'm assuming implantation in slaves is what you are referring to) as close to a space marine recruit as makes no difference.

I haven't come across any story where the AdMech are creating a new Chapter, which I assume would detail the process.

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The OP is referring to the second progenoid, so the SM would actually have no progenoid left.

In the Gildar Rift, the Silver Skulls actually discuss what they're going to do with one of their own, which this happens to. I haven't come across another similar situation, but I haven't read all of Black Library (yet ).



Not disputing that, but the OP is asking about an existing Chapter, not a new one.

Considering the ritual and tradition that has built up around the implantation process in every Chapter I've read about, I can't see (not saying it isn't possible) a Chapter implanting slaves when they can just implant initiates/novitiates and begin rebuilding immediately.

But really, that last bit was about how 1,000 progenoids are created in a 55 year period. Just trying to do the math.



This is usually the number of years cited. Which is why I think it would make more sense for an understrength Chapter to recruit and implant initiates to rebuild their scout and reserve companies as soon as possible. Since even being understrength is no excuse not to go out on missions.



I don't believe all organs are implanted since that would make the slave (I'm assuming implantation in slaves is what you are referring to) as close to a space marine recruit as makes no difference.

I haven't come across any story where the AdMech are creating a new Chapter, which I assume would detail the process.
But if you don't implant all organs, how is the new progenoid created? I mean, there's more to being a Space Marine then just receiving the geneseed, so perhaps the slaves are kept in a kind of stasis, where the organs are implanted, but maybe done in such a manner that they offer no real benefit to the slave. I dunno.

But that last bit was about trying to make the numbers work, how 1k are created in approx 55 years.

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