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The Emperor was "born" 8000 BC and the Imperial Calandar starts with his birth, so in 40k terms we are actually living around 10k already and starting our first age of technology.
Nope- no one in the Imperium knows when the Emperor was born, they barely know of anything that occurred before the Imperium itself existed.

Horus, a few of the other Primaarchs and their favoured warriors might have known- but that's it.
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The information about the big E comes from the old boek The Lost and the Damned and also details how he came into being so that's why I thought -8000 BC is the correct date



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Why would the Imperial Calender have started with his birth? Did he do something special? Did he not come to power around M.30 or something? With the unification wars or something?

So I kind of disagree with your point of view with the Imperial Calender... But thats just me...

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The Imperial calendar is obviously the Gregorian calendar, since their century numbering system matches ours. It's sad, though, that Imperial citizens have been so thoroughly indoctrinated that they feel no sense of loss about their 30,000 years of lost history.
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The information about the big E comes from the old boek The Lost and the Damned and also details how he came into being so that's why I thought -8000 BC is the correct date
Indeed it does, but 8000 BCE is not necessarily the correct date, more of a theory in my eyes.

And in regards to the calendar, as others have said, it doesn't start with the Emperor's Birth (otherwise why would it state 8000 BCE?) - In fact as the Baron said, no one knows when the Emperor was born, in fact the vast majority of the Imperium don't know anything about the Emperor, the Horus Heresy etc.



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In terms of evolution, 38,000 years means almost nothing. Particularly in an environment where "weak" traits are not rejected with extreme prejudice. Genetically, we're more or less the same as we were 200,000 years ago when Homo sapiens sapiens rolled out.

Things may have changed if there was some sort of population bottleneck (say, the human population dropped to 10,000 breeding pairs), and it very well may have on particular isolated situations sudden climate changes, generational ships, a small sect deciding to colonize a planet on their own ect, but the Human population as the whole remained fairly large.

Of course the whole psyker thing emerged and the various mutants we see. And the ab-humans--Orgyns, rattlings, the Space Dwarves. So I suppose humans have come along much further than evolution could explain. That's fantasy for you, I suppose.
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I forget the name of the evolutionary process but in any case, species can adapt very very quickly. I forget the lab experiment (I'll look for it later) but I think it was minnows were placed in a controlled pond with predators and different types of soil underneath. Within ten generations the pigments in their skin had come to almost completely match the rocks underneath because it provided better camouflage and thus those that could hide were able to pass on their genes.
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You're refering to Punctuated Equalibrium, Sasha - and like many people you have it slightly wrong.

PE (if it even occurs, and there is significant doubt) is pretty rapid compared to 'vanilla' evolution. PE can occur over hundreds of thousands of years, instead of millions.

I'm not familiar with the minnow experiment you describe, but it's not terribly relevant to the discussion at hand due to the tiny population of the fish tank. Whilst the colouration was no-doubt a survival trait the fact is that in a small enough population qany aberation, beneficial or otherwise has both a much higher chance of appearing (small populations encourage double-recessive traits to manifest) and flourishing (due to lack of genetic competition). Case in point, there is a village in Africa with no collar bones (cleidocranial dysostosis) - hardly a survival trait, but that's small populations for you. A sailor with the condition visited them in the 19th century, knocked boots with a local woman (or ten) and the whole village has it now.

Long story short, 38'000 years ain't long enough by an order of magnitude.

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We don't need evolution to posit significant change in 40k humans. I'm pretty sure they live longer than we do even without rejuvenat treatments, for example. All we need is Dark Age genetic technology. Given the other wonders invented during that period, I'd bet that in-utero genetic treatments to confer resistance to bacterial and viral diseases, long life, and eliminate genetic diseases like hemophilia would have been widespread and cheap. More importantly, the changes would be inheritable. You could create Space Marines with this stuff, if you had the vision.
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That's exactly what I believe (and said on the first page).

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