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post #1 of 32 (permalink) Old 06-20-10, 10:41 AM Thread Starter
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The Great Crusade is in its 203rd year. The Emperor has retired to Terra to work. Day-to-day-running of the Empire is managed by his Lieutenant Malcalor, while the military forces are lead by his most beloved and most capable son and general, the Warmaster Horus.
Now a psionic information reaches the Emperor from Magnus, that Horus has rebelled on Istvaan. Big-E is angry, for this kind of message has been forbidden by him, and the message damaged the psionic defences of the Imperial Palace. So Leman Russ is send to Prospero to attack Magnus.
Unfortunately, the information received was true... So within 6 Months, a large force of all available SM-Legions is mobilized (8 Legions including the Imperial Fists, who will be late and ambushed enroute to Istvaan).

Horus was the most capable of all the Emperor's Generals...
Should the Emperor have expected any kind of a trap?
Should he have taken command himself instead of leaving command to one of the Primarchs?
Did he really expect Horus waiting unprepared for the unavoidable attack by the loyalist forces?
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'A Thousand Sons' tells of Magnus' psionic trip to the Emperor's palace, and in that it is revealed that Magnus never had the chance to actually deliver his message. Also, it tells of how he utterly destroyed the Emperor's project.

If the project is wrecked, either the Emperor was sitting sulking in his dungeon, ignorant of Horus' imminent betrayal, or he was fighting off interlopers from the warp who were capitalising on the rent in real space that Magnus had torn open, and so couldn't get out himself. Was this not, after all, where Sanguinious was later to fell a horde of chaos minions whilst the Palace above was besieged? Though that then leaves open the matter of what the Emperor was doing from when Sanguinius took over the guard?

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The enemy never breached the Throne Room/Dungeons and Sangunius didn't fight a horde of daemons there- he fought them outside the walls of the Palace.

The Emperor was doing something that was more important at that moment than taking command of his forces in the Great Crusade- and when Magnus destroyed the wards protecting the Imperial Web Way the Emperor had no choice but to send all his Custodians and Sisters of Silence in to the tunnels to stem the tide of the Daemons when (The Secret War- probably a more important conflict than the Heresy itself), his troops were forced out of the Webway at incredible cost he was forced to take to the Golden Throne to secure the breach. Where he stayed for the 7 years of the Horus Heresy until he faced Horus.

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Horus was the most capable of all the Emperor's Generals...
Should the Emperor have expected any kind of a trap?
Should he have taken command himself instead of leaving command to one of the Primarchs?
Did he really expect Horus waiting unprepared for the unavoidable attack by the loyalist forces?
As I believe it, the Emperor wasn't the one who ordered the Isstvan V assault on Horus. Rogal Dorn was. The Emperor (according to the Collected Visions) was entirely pre-occupied on the Golden Throne, taking up the vast majority of his consciousness was the burden of keeping the Imperial Webway sealed, he wasn't really able to get involved in the Heresy at all.

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'A Thousand Sons' tells of Magnus' psionic trip to the Emperor's palace, and in that it is revealed that Magnus never had the chance to actually deliver his message.
Actually, Magnus did deliver his warning of Horus' betrayal to the Emperor (A Thousand Sons actually confirms this). But it seems (as stated in the Collected Visions I believe) that the Emperor simply ignored the warning, believing Magnus the one to be corrupted.



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Reading Mechanicum, it explains that the Emperor set humanity up for the task of, well everything. That he also knows the futre and basically everything that will ever happen. Then why didn't he see the Heresy?
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It didn't say he knew the future. It says he set up everything he would need but not that he knew the future exactly. He may have had the gift of foresight but that's no guarantee of anything.
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Well it certainly gave that idea, how can one set up an entire species for something he wanted them to do, if he didn't know something big was going to happen and how to get around it.
You know, like global warming ;)
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The emperor was the probably the single most intelligent and powerful psykic being to have ever existed. We have no idea what he was capable of.
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Though it is said that his powers of foresight were dimmed in the years preceding the Heresy, he's powerful but not omnipotent even he can be frustrated in his designs.

And what if Global Warming happened? That would just be unfortunate for civilisation as we know it, I doubt it would spell the end for humanity as a species.
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then again maybe he had already an inkling of this happening and on some level knew he had to allow it, who knows what the emperor knew or didn't know, after all when he retired towork on the golden throne he already had plans for magnus to take over that aspect and i have to wonder what kind of father ignores the warnings from a son who has been nothing but loyal to him? in my opinion he knew something was going to happen and i just wonder if he allowed this to happen no matter what cost as the grand design.
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