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So theres been an influx of Tau Players lately at my local store and I and several other have been playing a few games against them. Now these aren't newbie players they're experienced players who have Large armies and well thought out tactics. I've seen them play with other armies and do no worse than anybody else. But their Tau armies regularly get torn apart with little to no chance of surviving.

This inspired me to read through the Tau Fluff. And It got me thinking. Are the Tau REALLY a major threat? Or are they just something for everybody to kick the hell out of? I mean they excell at nothing their philosophy is annoying and they just don't seem to have any real understanding of how the Universe operates. Their Etherials are an Interesting idea but any Psyker with a middling competance is going to shred them. I've read precisely one novel with the Tau in it and they got beaten to a pulp.

Another thing i've noticed is that many many Veteran players hate them. I do myself their hippy trippy greater good stuff gets my hackles up.

So what do you think? Interesting diversion? Worthy addition to the universe? Or a Mistake we can all take pleasure in pummeling.
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In my opinion the Tau are a dangerous enemy when playing against them, and they are good fluff vise as well... I dont really know what you could complain about them, they are fairly good shots, kind of good armor save and long ranged weapons... Lets do it Warhammer 40,000 Fire Warrior style and kill some greater demons...

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In my opinion the Tau are a dangerous enemy when playing against them, and they are good fluff vise as well... I dont really know what you could complain about them, they are fairly good shots, kind of good armor save and long ranged weapons... Lets do it Warhammer 40,000 Fire Warrior style and kill some greater demons...
See thats my problem. They have a severe case of "Anything you can do others can do better" syndrome. I also think their design ethic is a little half arsed and their fluff is some of the weakest in the entire universe. They just strike me as one of those random alien races with no real agenda.

And Fire warrior was crap and you know it
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This inspired me to read through the Tau Fluff. And It got me thinking. Are the Tau REALLY a major threat? Or are they just something for everybody to kick the hell out of? I mean they excell at nothing their philosophy is annoying and they just don't seem to have any real understanding of how the Universe operates. Their Etherials are an Interesting idea but any Psyker with a middling competance is going to shred them. I've read precisely one novel with the Tau in it and they got beaten to a pulp.
You can't really judge a race's fluff worth by how well they perform in the table top. Right now, the tau aren't big players in the galaxy. They're technologically advanced and steely enough to pose a threat to the Imperium, and since they haven't been wiped off the face of the galaxy yet we can assume they're too powerful to be killed off by anything but a long, grueling war. Really, I think the tau have a couple of advantages that make them stand out and give them a chance to survive in the hostile universe:
1. They're extremely resistant to chaos corruption.
2. They're willing to assimilate other races into their fold, and have done so with great success.
3. They're one of the, if not the only, race still in the galaxy who has both the means and the motivation to develop new technology.

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Another thing i've noticed is that many many Veteran players hate them. I do myself their hippy trippy greater good stuff gets my hackles up.
Hippy trippy? I see the greater good as basically space communism/socialism. And to my understanding, most veteran players hate all new races brought into their game, like the necron. They seem to want to justify it with their sleek look, giant mechs, and reliance on plasma weaponry. I've heard "you got your anime in my Warhammer!" is a common addage by tau detractors.
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The Tau Empire (fluff wise, disregarding the tabletop rules completely as this is the fluff forum) is a very small player on the Galactic Scale. Consisting of a few dozen worlds/systems, they are miniscule compared to the Imperium's million. They pose no great threat whatsoever to the Imperium as it currently stands, or any other established race for that matter. The Imperium could wipe them off the face of the map if they could bring enough manpower (which they have) to bear, there are just much more serious threats to deal with which are taking up the manpower and resources.

So the Tau continue to survive and prosper simply because the Imperium is busy elsewhere. Their threat level is also reduced by the fact that they can't utilise Warp Travel anywhere near as well as the Imperium can for example. But that having been said, the Damocles Crusade proved that they are well entrenched and it would take a crusade far larger to seriously damage the Tau Empire, something which the Imperium cannot afford to spare.



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The Tau Empire (fluff wise, disregarding the tabletop rules completely as this is the fluff forum) are a very small player on the Galactic Scale. Consisting of a few dozen worlds/systems, they are miniscule compared to the Imperium's million. They pose no great threat whatsoever to the Imperium as it currently stands, or any other established race for that matter. The Imperium could wipe them off the face of the map if they could bring enough manpower (which they have) to bear, there are just much more serious threats to deal with which are taking up the manpower and resources.

So the Tau continue to survive and prosper simply because the Imperium is busy elsewhere. Their threat level is also reduced by the fact that they can't utilise Warp Travel anywhere near as well as the Imperium can for example. But that having been said, the Damocles Crusade proved that they are well entrenched and it would take a crusade far larger to seriously damage the Tau Empire, something which the Imperium cannot afford to spare.
I for one think that the tau were designed or at least tampered with by the Eldar (resulting in the Ethereals) for the express purpose of helping them reclaim the webway (to some extent). My logic? Well they are one of the very few races with little or no psychic presence meaning they are extrodianarily resistant to chaos corruption. There have been next to no recorded incidents of Eldar-Tau conflict. I think that the Eldar are leaving them to develoup on their own until they can be of use (their present numbers bieng simply to few).

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I for one think that the tau were designed or at least tampered with by the Eldar (resulting in the Ethereals) for the express purpose of helping them reclaim the webway (to some extent). My logic? Well they are one of the very few races with little or no psychic presence meaning they are extrodianarily resistant to chaos corruption. There have been next to no recorded incidents of Eldar-Tau conflict. I think that the Eldar are leaving them to develoup on their own until they can be of use (their present numbers bieng simply to few).
I would say its plausable that the Eldar had something to do with development of the Tau or possibly even the mysterious warpstorm that prevented the Imperium from purging them, but there is very little evidence to take this as an established fact.

There may be no recorded conflict between the Eldar and Tau, but then again why would there be? What possible benefit would the Eldar gain from engaging the Tau Empire? Unless there was some unseen and farflung event that was farseen that needed to be prevented by the Eldar engaging the Tau on some level, then the Eldar wouldn't bother using precious men and resources in attacking the Tau. But just because there is no recorded engagements between the Tau & Eldar, thats no basis to say the Eldar groomed the Tau to be their allies.

And also the Tau would never be in a position to help the Eldar reclaim the Webway. Firstly, why would they, unless the Eldar would then join the Greater Good the Tau have no reason to help the Eldar. And thats aside from that fact that large parts of the Webway are now irreversibly drowned in Chaos.



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I for one think that the tau were designed or at least tampered with by the Eldar (resulting in the Ethereals) for the express purpose of helping them reclaim the webway (to some extent). My logic? Well they are one of the very few races with little or no psychic presence meaning they are extrodianarily resistant to chaos corruption. There have been next to no recorded incidents of Eldar-Tau conflict. I think that the Eldar are leaving them to develoup on their own until they can be of use (their present numbers bieng simply to few).
Interesting theory. Ethereals are still pretty mysterious, so it could be true.

I'm gonna go with mistake we should all take pleasure in pummeling. I love the high techiness of Tau, but the story is poor and....frankly not interesting.

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Tau maybe a small group on the galatic stage but they are very expansionist, utterly dedicated and technoligically driven. They have no where near as many problems as the imperium does with rebels and heretics. (The whole O'shova thing is the closest, but he never went against the tau empire but disagreed how it should be best defended) They have 1 vision and 1 purpose. They will never be as numerous as men and orks but they have a great potential.

As far as tabletop goes they can be incredible, if they get abit lucky. Fire warriors are probably a point or 2 overpriced but mow down anything without a 4+ save or better. Battlesuit weapons can cut through anything and their heavy weapons make a mockery of any tanks. They are a bit like eldar though in that if you mess up your army list or deployment then theres not alot of ways to return, with practice they are great.
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As far as tabletop goes they can be incredible, if they get abit lucky. Fire warriors are probably a point or 2 overpriced but mow down anything without a 4+ save or better. Battlesuit weapons can cut through anything and their heavy weapons make a mockery of any tanks. They are a bit like eldar though in that if you mess up your army list or deployment then theres not alot of ways to return, with practice they are great.
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I can't say I've ever seen the Tau as anything more than cut price Eldar on the tabletop.

As for their fluff they're far too Star Trek for my liking. The same goes with their design ethic.
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