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ok I've read several conflicting account for this.

Who was the best close quaters warrior amongst the Primarchs? I've read some accounts that claim it was Horus, Sanguinus, Leman Russ, Fulgrim or Angron. Does anybody else have ideas?

Personally I doubt it was Horus, he seems more a general type rather than a full on CQC warrior. Likewise I'm somehow thinking it Isn't Fulgrim either, yes he was a bad boy and he has the biggest Primarch tally of anybody but it seems like amongst his brothers he wasn't really exceptional combat wise.

Angron is a possibility but he just seems too mental to be the best. A complete Berzerker rage will only get you so far against an opponent of equal power.

So that leaves Sanguinus and Leman. Both of them have recorded victories and defeats. Sanguinius killed that Blood Thirster, Leman beat the snot out of Magnus. Sanguinus got killed by Horus after he was hopped up on Daemon Juice, Leman got knocked out by the BIG E and again when Lion sucker punched him.

Overall I'm leaning towards Sanguinius but what do you guys think.

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Well im not fluff expert, but correct me if i'm wrong, but isnt Fulgrim feared as one of the universes greatest sword duelers? again correct me if I'm wrong

Personally, i think Angron would anihilate anyone, except maybe Leman russ
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All the primarchs were so close in fighting ability that minute details (environment, slipping in a puddle of blood, sun rising behind his opponent) could turn the battle each way.

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Well im not fluff expert, but correct me if i'm wrong, but isnt Fulgrim feared as one of the universes greatest sword duelers? again correct me if I'm wrong

Personally, i think Angron would anihilate anyone, except maybe Leman russ
Is that at Fighting or drinking?
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i think he means drinking and any way Leman russ would beat any one in a drinking game.
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well i believe it is alpharius simply because the enemy primarch would have to kill hundreds if not thousands of alpha legion aspiring champions to find him then that might even be omegon and then they would double team you. ouch.

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I dont think its something you can easily measure. Its like asking whos the better general; Napolean, Hitler, Julius Caesar, Emperor Justinian, Gordon Brown, Superman, Dr. Manhatten or My Mother

I think it all depends on the situation. Were the individuals distracted? A Random, unforseen incident could cost a Primarch his Life, etc. Theres lots of Factors to be taken into account.

On a side note Magnus the Red was actually raping Leman Russ until Wolf Lord Garm cheated and threw a Spear at Magnus who was literally just about to crush Russ. Just goes to show how dangerous Magnus was in Closer-Combat if he could flatten Russ.



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Fluff wise, I would like to think that sanguinas was as well, but as everyone has mentioned it depends on situation. The most eloquently trained duelist is likely to fall short to an unorthadox fighter who uses brute strength and ignorance.
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On a side note Magnus the Red was actually raping Leman Russ until Wolf Lord Garm cheated and threw a Spear at Magnus who was literally just about to crush Russ. Just goes to show how dangerous Magnus was in Closer-Combat if he could flatten Russ.
Where was that mentiond? I know Magnus wounded Leman but I don't think Magnus could beat Leman in a one on one punch up.

As for the whole who the was the best being determined by circumstance I mean on a flat completely level playing field before all the Daemon Juice kicked in since obviously Horus was the best one after that. On a battlefield where it all comes down to sheer skill.

And I can't really see anybody beating Sanguinius in a completely even one on one. Russ, Angron and Fulgrim seem to have been getting there but from the way people talk about him in the books birdy boy seems to have been something a bit above and beyond. As it says in Deus Sanguinius "The pure one was a match for any warrior that lived."
That combined with what his Legion specialised in makes me think he may have been a CQC extraordinaire.

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Fluff wise, I would like to think that sanguinas was as well, but as everyone has mentioned it depends on situation. The most eloquently trained duelist is likely to fall short to an unorthadox fighter who uses brute strength and ignorance.
That what leads me to believe it wasn't Fulgrim. If anything Fulgrim may have been a superb swordsman when he was an Imperial but his flaw seems to have been over training rather than being adaptive. Thats why i get the impression that Leman or Angron would have stomped all over him before the Daemon Juice hit.

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Where was that mentiond? I know Magnus wounded Leman but I don't think Magnus could beat Leman in a one on one punch up.
I Believe it was in one of the Space Wolves novels. Ive got a feeling Its either 'Grey Hunter' or 'Wolf's Honour', cant remember for sure though. Anyways I do think that Magnus could beat Russ in a punch-up - Magnus was the largest Primarch and was literally a giant, he had the power behind him at least

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As for the whole who the was the best being determined by circumstance I mean on a flat completely level playing field before all the Daemon Juice kicked in since obviously Horus was the best one after that. On a battlefield where it all comes down to sheer skill.
Well I would said that on whatever battlefield or circumstance it never comes down to just 'sheer skill', there are always other factors which hamper skill. But even in a theoretical 'completley flat level playing field' its still next-to-impossible to determine which Primarch would triumph.

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And I can't really see anybody beating Sanguinius in a completely even one on one.
Ka'Bandha Raped him the first time! Broke his legs, and made him watch his Astartes get slaughtered. But showed him a twisted kind of mercy and let him live, but only to watch his Legion get mauled.

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As it says in Deus Sanguinius "The pure one was a match for any warrior that lived."
Indeed - But thats a Blood Angels novel... Biased?!

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Thats why i get the impression that Leman or Angron would have stomped all over him before the Daemon Juice hit.
I dunno, pure skill and perfection(!) can often best brute strength.



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