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I Believe it was in one of the Space Wolves novels. Ive got a feeling Its either 'Grey Hunter' or 'Wolf's Honour', cant remember for sure though. Anyways I do think that Magnus could beat Russ in a punch-up - Magnus was the largest Primarch and was literally a giant, he had the power behind him at least
The bigger they are the harder they fall. From what I remember Magnus and Russ fought each other to a standstill then Russ let himself get stabbed or something then broke his back over his knee.


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Ka'Bandha Raped him the first time! Broke his legs, and made him watch his Astartes get slaughtered. But showed him a twisted kind of mercy and let him live, but only to watch his Legion get mauled.
Ka'Bandha got one of his eyes ripped out the first time he fought the birdy so while it wasn't the complete stuff beating he did beat Sanguinius, mind you what Sanguinius did to Ka'Bandha at the ultimate gate more than made up for it.



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Indeed - But thats a Blood Angels novel... Biased?!
Actually if you take that statement along with hrous oppinion that Sangruinius was basically Big E MkII it sort of makes sense, since we know Big E could pulversie all the Primarchs.


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I dunno, pure skill and perfection(!) can often best brute strength.
Eh i dunno Fulgrims training seems to have been all based on form and swordsmanship. Remember Fulgrim wasn't literally perfect he was aspiring to what he thought of as Perfection. And we all know how right he was about that don't we. It allways seemed to me that Fulgrim might have had the Skill but not the will and instinct that Angron, Leman, Sanguinius or Jaghatai had.

I forgot something about birdy boy he can do something no other Primarch could do.
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Well this is my thoughts-

My top three Primarch fighters would have to be-

Angron (Is a freaking monster! Carries twin Chainaxes and had a entire mountain fall on him (Badass)

LEJ (Beat Russ in a duel though only due to his speed, a brilliant Tactician Horus mentions in one of the HH Novels that LEJ has the second highest ammount of victories bar the Warmaster himself)

Russ (Again Russ is a monster in battle, getting in the thick of it he is amongst the stronger of the Primarchs)

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In most accounts of the final battle in the Heresy, it's been stated that even with no Daemonic Power that Sang still wasn't a match for Horus. Plus hoped up on his juice he went toe to toe with the Emp. Granted that's more in line with Raw-Cosmic power but that's like asking Superman not to use his Laser Beam eyes in a fight to the death with Doomsday.

And then of course we have an Ork that almost crushed the Emp throat in. So... there are things out there worse than a Primarch.

Pondering...
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LEJ (Beat Russ in a duel though only due to his speed, a brilliant Tactician Horus mentions in one of the HH Novels that LEJ has the second highest ammount of victories bar the Warmaster himself)
Sorry, but that's wrong. They fought until Russ stopped and started laughing at the absurdity of two primarchs fighting, at which point Jonson sucker punched him. That's long been established in the fluff. Also, being a tactical and strategic genius means little in a one on one duel.
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im not sure on the best fighter, as most of the primarchs are equally matched and it would all be determined by the circumstances (and cheats, yes looking at you Lion, Russ had stopped when you hit him)
but i think the best fight would be between Angron and Leman Russ as it would be the most brutal
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LEJ (Beat Russ in a duel though only due to his speed, a brilliant Tactician Horus mentions in one of the HH Novels that LEJ has the second highest ammount of victories bar the Warmaster himself)
Firstly no where does Horus mention in the Heresy novels that the Lion had the second Highest Number of Victories. (Im pretty sure about this because i've just finished re-reading the first 3 books!) Infact I believe that the only times that the Lion was mentioned was about Rogal Dorn being as Courageous as the Lion, and about the Lion being very jealous of Horus being made Warmaster. Oh and that the Lion would laugh at Horus about Horus not judging Temba correctly.

He actually states that Rogal Dorn has the second highest number of victories. (i'll get a quote for you if you like.. I believe its from Horus Rising when Dorn was with Horus for a while.)




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Firstly no where does Horus mention in the Heresy novels that the Lion had the second Highest Number of Victories. (Im pretty sure about this because i've just finished re-reading the first 3 books!) Infact I believe that the only times that the Lion was mentioned was about Rogal Dorn being as Courageous as the Lion, and about the Lion being very jealous of Horus being made Warmaster. Oh and that the Lion would laugh at Horus about Horus not judging Temba correctly.

He actually states that Rogal Dorn has the second highest number of victories. (i'll get a quote for you if you like.. I believe its from Horus Rising when Dorn was with Horus for a while.)

See I'm confused. The status of second highest victory count seems to be constantly shifting between Guilliman, Lion and now Dorn. Can't GW make up their minds!
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See I'm confused. The status of second highest victory count seems to be constantly shifting between Guilliman, Lion and now Dorn. Can't GW make up their minds!
Well the only solid information I believe there is, is Horus Rising - Which states that Dorn has the second best record in the Crusade. So im going with Dorn!

or at least thats the most up-to-date source.. im not aware of any other sources anyway.



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Well on a one on one with only close combat weopens no pyshic powers, guns and its pre heresy the winner of the brawl in my opinion would be.......... maybe.... Sanguines heres why though Angron, and Russ are monters they are eventually going to beaten Brute force can only go so far Fulgrims quest for perfection led him to Damnation and to be possed by a Deamon so his will would push him only so far and he would lose making lion, Horus and Sanguines but horus is the best Gen. but not the best close combat so... even though he fought the Emp. that was becuase of being of chaos i mean luther could have killed lion but he stoped himshelf so !!!SANGUINES!!!! would be the winner if there was no special weopns or armor JUST Chainswords OR Swords no special swords like fireblade NOTE: russ first attacked lion for killing the traitor governor that insulterd him then they fought for Hours.. Russ got thrown through a table then he laughed at the stupidness (lack of better word) lion thinking it was a insult then punched him in the jaw knocking him out

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Well the only solid information I believe there is, is Horus Rising - Which states that Dorn has the second best record in the Crusade. So im going with Dorn!

or at least thats the most up-to-date source.. im not aware of any other sources anyway.
5th Ed Space Marine codex states it was Guilliman due to his tactical genius and diplomatic skills.
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