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Gonna have to get a "Stay Zero" t-shirt, but with a picture of Cypher on it!

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Cypher still mysterious, only thing confirmed is that he apparently wants to get into the Throne room - Guilliman appears to know something about the sword he carries but isn't sharing with the rest of the class.

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Was there ever confirmation before this that Cypher was actually trying to get to Terra specifically?
Not specifically, but it's eluded to at least twice in the dataslate that preceded this release. Most clearly in this passage, speaking specifically about the sword on his back:

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One of the characteristics that defines the mysterious Cypher is the sword that he
carries. On every world where he has been sighted, Cypher has always bore a
sword, yet no matter how pressed he has been in combat, he has never yet drawn
the blade forth, either to attack or even in his own defence. Even on the rare
occasions when both pistols were struck from his hands, the robed figure did not
draw his blade. Some of the Unforgiven have speculated that the blade is none
other than the famed Lion Sword – the blade of their Primarch that was lost when
the Lion disappeared. Others say it is a new weapon made of the same meteor that
produced the metal for the Heavenfall Blades borne by the leaders of the Dark
Angels today. There are those within the Inner Circle that speak of the ebon Sword
of Luther, the treacherous sword that some believe slew Lion El’Jonson before he
vanished into the Warp storm. They whisper that it is Cypher’s goal to reach
Terra, to finally draw forth that sword for the first and last time, using the weapon
to slay the Emperor, striking him down from his Golden Throne. Some
few have even suggested that Cypher will kneel before the Emperor, offering him
the blessed blade and by this deed seeking final redemption for the Unforgiven.
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the end, all that is known for certain is that the sheathed weapon is yet another
mystery.
Emphasis added if you don't feel like reading the whole thing.

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Also, if the Imperials had just witnessed first hand that this Yvraine could resurrect the dead, why would Roboute not then make it a point to get her to Daddy fucking ASAP?
I'm pretty sure this is the excerpt detailing Yvraine's departure, though I'm not sure it will answer your question. Jacked from Atia's blog.



Kinda seems to me like they were pretty much free to leave after rendering crucial assistance and too dangerous to take forcibly.

Unfortunately Canada got rid of the penny and now my two cents rounds down to zero, so...take it for what you will.

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There are grammar issues sprinkled throughout the summary and the person who wrote it chose to include kernels of humour that were at times, in my opinion, out of place.
Wow, you must find the internet a hellish place of constant agony if imperfect grammar upsets you so.
I, on the other hand, rather liked his occasional spasms of humour. To each his own.

I agree with your views on Cypher. To come so close to completing his task and find himself screwed over.

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Cypher promptly and mysteriously escapes his cell on Terra, we'll hear more from him I'm sure.

Unfortunately Canada got rid of the penny and now my two cents rounds down to zero, so...take it for what you will.

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Wow, you must find the internet a hellish place of constant agony if imperfect grammar upsets you so.
Not really, no; I find the things I view on the internet don't seem to have that problem for the most part.

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I agree with your views on Cypher. To come so close to completing his task and find himself screwed over.
Thats actually a point of contention I have with the Cypher portion, assuming the summary did not miss or ignore it we have no idea what his task was beyond get to the throne. I'd be happy if they would have just had Cypher tell Guilliman, and the primarch detected that Cypher was holding something back.

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My main problem with this book... you know how every writing class ever will include "Show, don't tell"? This book is completely full of the reader being told of vital story elements that we would have REALLY liked to have seen rather than be told about in a single throwaway line. Instead of focusing on the characters and the story, it's going through breakneck speeds through anything that vaguely resembles those things to focus on scenery descriptions and battles.

It's actually made worse by the white-on-black shorts that show what could have been. Guilliman's conversation with Yvraine when she's leaving is half a page of goodness that shows an understanding has grown between them - which we've seen nothing of beyond that. Similar for the triumvirate of the Imperium, all three of those around from Fall of Cadia to the end of Rise of a Primarch. While it's obvious they interact a lot in two of these books (with Guilliman added to it in Rise), we don't get to SEE much of it.

The cast is fantastic, the script they got to work with pretty horrible.

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My main problem with this book... you know how every writing class ever will include "Show, don't tell"? This book is completely full of the reader being told of vital story elements that we would have REALLY liked to have seen rather than be told about in a single throwaway line. Instead of focusing on the characters and the story, it's going through breakneck speeds through anything that vaguely resembles those things to focus on scenery descriptions and battles.

It's actually made worse by the white-on-black shorts that show what could have been. Guilliman's conversation with Yvraine when she's leaving is half a page of goodness that shows an understanding has grown between them - which we've seen nothing of beyond that. Similar for the triumvirate of the Imperium, all three of those around from Fall of Cadia to the end of Rise of a Primarch. While it's obvious they interact a lot in two of these books (with Guilliman added to it in Rise), we don't get to SEE much of it.

The cast is fantastic, the script they got to work with pretty horrible.
This has been the case with most codexes and expansions to date. Remember that the aim of these books isn't really to tell a story in the same fashion as a novel, but rather to outline crucial points in a plot that moves forward. It leaves a lot to the readers' imaginations to fill in the blanks on these fronts, and will also give the writers much greater freedom in the potential scenario that novels are indeed being written for these campaigns.


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