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Look at Celestine. Pretty much a daemon of the Emperor inhabiting a flesh puppet, with how she calls down the Emperors will to smite the enemy in a beam of light from on high.
There are any number of things that could explain Celestine's abilities. Given the Emperor's aversion to being worshiped as a god, I am inclined to believe her abilities and acts of faith are the result of the heavy presence of faith her vicinity on the battlefield. When she's around, human soldiers of the Imperium believe their victory is assured, they believe an avatar of the Emperor's will is with them and the ripples this could cause in the warp may explain events in her presence.

There is also the possibility she is a latent psyker or some kind of psychic mutant and her gifts have simply been misinterpreted.


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I think the conversation got a bit off task lol

I would find it amusing if enough people believed if they did something bad, little deamons appeared in their milk lol

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I remember reading around that warp we know is only a fraction of that dimension and that there are many formless primordial "things" floating in its tides who barely acknowledge the existence of us mortals.
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I remember reading around that warp we know is only a fraction of that dimension and that there are many formless primordial "things" floating in its tides who barely acknowledge the existence of us mortals.
A recent novel (can't remember the name) touched on the idea of the "Deep Warp". Didn't really explain what was there, only that the warp ships transit through is the "Shallow Warp" and that the Deep Warp is almost physically resistant (to the extent anything in the warp can be called "physical") to passage through it. Fulgrim's pleasure planet is said to be "deep in the Eye", I'm not sure how that translates, if at all, to the Deep Warp.
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The answer to this is essentially, it depends on how far back you are willing to go in the game publications. I haven't read any of the new novels, so I'm not up on the current fluff. (I always preferred to relate to it as game history, not "game ongoing soap opera.) The Realms of Chaos books say this rather directly. They describe a number of other lesser gods though they only name one or two.

In those books the warp is described as a psychic reflection of the material universe. Matter cannot survive there, but the reflections of the emotions of sentient beings collect there. Given enough time and enough concentrated feeling other new gods could emerge.

Curiously, the original authors cast the warp entities as mostly evil but the original descriptions leave a lot of space for other possibilities. A god of tenderness, or love, or gastronomy, or interior decoration, or fast cars etc. etc. could all exist or be germinating in the warp. There was an earlier view that the emperor was in fact a positive chaos God. After he died, he lived on in the warp growing in power as the spirit of humanity. One of the major questions was, what happens when his body finally dies on the golden throne? Is he dead like all other humans or will he be able to be reborn again or will he be the apotheosis of humanity?

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