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No, the others are not. But it's difficult not to see it in Tau. It's not surprising that people are looking to Gundam models for Tau Conversions.
Linked in the link you shared is one asking about Gundam conversions to stand in as Imperial nights.

The general bodyshape of the Tau battlesuits don't match most Gundams. Gundams tend to have large legs and a fairly slim top (barring some extra heavy ones or ones with wings or something). Tau battle suits follow the general WH40k shape--small legs, wider shoulders.

Color doesn't even close and of course the heads are way different.

Still makes no real sense to me.
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You're right, I think I quickly went to the wrong thread. There are quite a few posts and images correlating Tau and Gundam.

But I don't think that there are no similarities: (Excuse the low quality recolor) I can see the difference, but the latter reminds me quite a bit of the former.
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You're right, I think I quickly went to the wrong thread. There are quite a few posts and images correlating Tau and Gundam.

But I don't think that there are no similarities: (Excuse the low quality recolor) I can see the difference, but the latter reminds me quite a bit of the former.
No, the thread you linked was originally about Gundam models standing in for Tau. There's just another link within the thread that links another thread where someone was looking to make Gundam conversions for Imperial Knights.

I still don't seem much resemblance between the two. Starting from top to bottom...

Feet and ankles are completely different. The proportions of the feet and "thighs" are completely different, too. How the hips are articulated are different. The XV02's joints are splayed out.

There's that little codpiece-like thing on both of them. That is a point of similarity.

The XV02's waist also slims way down. The Gundam's has some narrowing, but no where near to the same degree. The shoulders and chest look nothing alike. The red area of the chest where the Gundam pilot would exit does look similar to the red area on the XV02, but in the original coloring from the Tau codex, it does not appear as if the front has that concave slope that the Gundam does. The front of the battlesuit is likely flat and not angled.

The strongest resemblance between the two are the forearms and hands. Even so, it's not too close since the proportion of the arms to the rest of the body is very different.
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Besides the idea that they're supposed to be humanoid, there's not too much to directly compare. You couldn't imagine dropping a Gundam mostly unmodified into a Tau army and not have it look conspicuous.
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I still see it, and my vote is still out. Still unfortunately lowest on the totem pole for me.
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I don't think you're going to find very many anime fans that go "oh, man, that looks like a mecha."

If you want to argue that some of the Tau battlesuits appear to be inspired by Japanese Mecha to someone that does not really know mecha, then I can agree with that, I suppose.
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OK, I understand that they're not to your taste, but I was just trying to bring to your attention a few things that as an ork player I know about, and that you didn't appear to know about, or appreciate before calling to squat the faction.
Orks haven't been "goofy", probably since at least 6th edition, I did mention that before i'm sure? I couldn't say what it was like for sure before then, the last experience I had with 40k up until 2 years ago was back, was in the 80s in the days of rogue trader.
I don't play them because they're "goofy" though, or enjoy them for that reason, I play them because I enjoy the fact that they are fun to play, and don't take themseIves too seriously. Their outlook is that war is fun, and that encourages me to play to that philosophy. For example, I often make decisions that favour an Orks outlook, if given a number of choices. It's like I'm role playing to a degree.
I think I would do that if I was playing any faction. However, I personally prefer to play the bad guys, and play something different, something alien. Whilst I appreciate Imperial forces, personally I wouldn't want to play them, except for maybe Mechanics, they're practically a different species.
I'm glad there are people willing to play imperial forces though, it's better to have a bredth of opponents to play against. I even like to play against Tau, which is why I didn't call for them to be squatted. In fact I think they should be expanded, a whole raft of xenos species waiting to deploy for the greater good would be an enrichment of the game.
It seems like the issue is a divergent idea of what is goofy. I think having an entire army/culture based off of mispronounced slang is goofy. You don't, evidently. But I think you're taking my dislike too seriously (ironically), since the thread is just asking if I had to pick one race to go who it would be. I'm not saying fuck everything about Orks or their players, or that GW realistically should cut them, but they are the least interesting race to me since they are so ridiculously one-sided. I'm just not into that.

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I don't think you're going to find very many anime fans that go "oh, man, that looks like a mecha."

If you want to argue that some of the Tau battlesuits appear to be inspired by Japanese Mecha to someone that does not really know mecha, then I can agree with that, I suppose.
I knew three people who thought about getting into 40k as Tau because they liked Gundam (not sure which specific series) and Robotech. Obviously, they aren't the same, but there are stylistic similarities beyond the fact that they are giant robot suits.
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I knew three people who thought about getting into 40k as Tau because they liked Gundam (not sure which specific series) and Robotech. Obviously, they aren't the same, but there are stylistic similarities beyond the fact that they are giant robot suits.
Weird they'd use Robotech. That was sort of a travesty since they basically butchered the Japanese Macross to make Robotech.

I'd be interested in hearing what sort of reasons and similarities the Tau battlesuits drew them.

The Tau suits look really blocky and oddly top heavy (pretty typical for WH40k models from everything from an Emperor-class titan to a Space marine).

It's a pretty different aesthetic to me.
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I wouldn't kick any of the current factions out and I'm bemused by the outpouring of criticism towards Orks and Tau.

Orks are brutal, cunning and violent killers.

Tau are brutal, cunning and violent killers.

The 40k universe is brimmed full of brutal, cunning and violent killers, are we done on that?

As for who I would add. Well come on... Squats innit.
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I guess on topic. If I had to kill a faction it'd be the new Necrons.

I don't need more extremely powerful, haughty lords with great technology that also can be both extremely cruel and magnanimous on pretty much a whim.

They're called the Eldar.

I'd rather have a soulless horde out to annihilate all life.

Yeah, we already have the Tyranids, but I rather have a second Tyranids than a second Eldar.
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Yeah the current Necrons are terrible, both lore and design wise. The models/art is too over-detailed and appear to be made for 10 year olds literally, with cliche scythes for " undead robots " to largely the same skeleton heads on each unit, save for deathmarks. I doubt they'll drop the whole egyptian theme, but at least hope the units get a remodelling in next codex, cause they'll simply terrible. At least remodel the heads to be somewhat unique and screw those ugly crowns.

As for lore wise, I expect them to do something actually important, like smite the nids and establish themselves as number one enemy to Imperium.

As for Necrons getting flesh bodies again, I doubt it will happen. Lore wise it would make sense and they're actually trying to pull that off but tabletop wise I doubt they'll change the whole gimmick. People came to love the soulless undead machines, not some " we don't even know how they looked as necrontyr " fleshling race.

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