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At least it doesn't look like this:



*shudders* Maybe I just don't want to see them on my models.

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So the idea that assassins, fighting on their home soil against astartes who aren't known for being subtle would lose against beings trained to strike at only the opportune moment?
A trained assassin versus a genetically engineered superhuman who has been fighting on the front lines for centuries... Especially when the astartes know they are about to fight against them... I would expect some initial heavy losses from the marines, but not a near-extermination.

On top of that, this fight would have been combat assassins aren't used to. They don't fight battles, they fight solo. If the assassins were space marines who were found to be good at subtle combat and trained to be assassins, it would be easier to swallow. But they are just regular people fighting against people so tough and powerful that regular people liken them to demigods.
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Also, really I was frustrated about a scene in Mechanicum. I'm going to try to use spoiler tags for the first time here to explain what was frustrating.


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At least it doesn't look like this:



*shudders* Maybe I just don't want to see them on my models.
It seems like if they were just peeking out, it would be a lot less annoying (and easier to deal with), but he just looks like an idiot at, say, a frat costume party. Why would he just chill on a battlefield with his mouth hanging open like that? Reminds me of this.
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Almost the entirety of the Damocles and Mont'ka campaign books fluff. It's just so fucking shit. Fire warriors out stealthing Raven Guard. Hundreds of Space Marines being killed in the opening moments of the battle. I'm pretty sure if you read and tallied up both books kills, the entire Raven Guard and White Scars chapter were killed many times over. Even the RG chapter master for fucks sake. And at the end of it the Raven Guard are just like 'Well, we're needed elsewhere in other fights', whereas they pretty much lost their entire chapter strength are would be critically endangered.

So yeah, it bugs me when authors write stuff like that to show how powerful and amazing the Tau are(or how much they love them in anycase), without really thinking about the numbers of casualties they are writing about. It's clear the writer did not even begin to think of how a chapter is only 1000 marines and just throws random casualty numbers out with no thought.

The horrendous and obvious bias to the Tau throughout the whole book is just awful. Even by GW standards.
Hasn't this always been the case? In pretty much any book I read about Tau vs Imperium, the author has been wanking Tau out of proportions, In the older Damocles anthology collection , we see a White Scar Captain fighting equally with Shadowsun in meele combat.

I don't know if the new Tau codex changed things and made Tau better in melee, but Shadowsun actually held her own against a fucking astartes captain and even managed to deliver a couple of armour-powered blows.

That was pretty pathetic if you ask me. Not only that, bu the Tau have managed to survive multiple ambushes made by Raven Guard and Catachan Jungle fighters together, and turn things around. We also see Shadowsun casually killing a Librarian from afar while he was in middle of casting. I feel like Tau are new Grey Knights and the wank is getting out of hand.
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As a Raven Guard player, loving the Tau hate. That filthy Kauyon supplement really hurt my delicate, delicate feelings. In my mind Tau belong (along the eternally shifting scale of power) in the region of incredibly well equipped guardsman, where technology and superior (but not inhuman) martial discipline win the day. Whoever wrote the Kauyon supplement never wavered in their knowledge that Tau were going to win hands down, and decided after that fact to write veteran members of first founding space marine chapters as though they were Ogryns going hulk mode in their first battle ever. Ab.so.lute, unmitigated, garbage. (Re-write it and give my Chapter Master a decent death, you amateurish cretin!). To describe writing of this standard as adolescent would be to insult stupid teenagers doing stupid things the world over. God. Damned. Weeaboos.

Breathe darling, breathe.

Moving on. I'm very interested in this Assassin battle I've probably read and forgotten about, but i'm not sure where this impression that assassins are simply highly skilled humans came from. Reading from the wikia ( which presumably came from somewhere ) Their selection process is so harrowing that it put's some Astartes recruitment rites to shame, and their augmentations, whilst different to an Astartes, are probably at least comparable in terms of depth and complexity.

To find fluffy inconsistency you need look no further than The Iron Snakes novel, which sometimes portrays each single space marine as an almost unassailable bastion of destruction, and compare it to pretty much any other novel which throws power armoured red shirts down the drain so fast it'll make your head spin. HI KAUYON!

All in all there's so many writers it'd be impossible, or even boring, for all of the writing to be consistent. On the plus side there's so much material that you can usually find exciting parts that fit in with your own imagined universe, and that's part of what makes it great.

I've played other table top games, X-wing among them, but in spite of being a huge star wars fan there's nothing else that even compares to the depth and complexity of 40k to me. Not perfect, but damned if it isn't brilliant most of the time.
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Emperor's children and Imperial Fist.

It infuriate me that each very few time they are portrayed in a book, they tend to die, or loose.

So okay, I'm aware that the Emperor's Children are an uneasy subject to portray handily without offending many people, but by the eye ! Even the few survivng loyalist tend to die almost as soon as they appear....

Don't shoot me, heretic ! I speak High Gothick and english isn't my first language !

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Emperor's children and Imperial Fist.

It infuriate me that each very few time they are portrayed in a book, they tend to die, or loose.

So okay, I'm aware that the Emperor's Children are an uneasy subject to portray handily without offending many people, but by the eye ! Even the few survivng loyalist tend to die almost as soon as they appear....
I'm pretty uninformed about Chaos fluff. What makes the Emperor's Children an uneasy subject?
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I'm pretty uninformed about Chaos fluff. What makes the Emperor's Children an uneasy subject?
Well you know, It's a Slaanesh worshiping faction : Most of the time, Slaanesh are visually portrayed as hedonistic-demonistic-drug addict-BDSM maniacs. Quite a bad subject for a company that try to refresh his customer pool among the young people. ("Hey daddy ! Look at my new army minis of drug-abusing crazies !")

I always felt that Games Workshop was awkward with Slaanesh, and AoS has quite confirmed my feelings about that. Slaanesh was at first Chaos god of pleasure, then became Gods of excess...then it god basically dumped in Age of Sigmar. I feel the only reason it hasn't got dumped in WH40K was the fact it was just too hard to do so, and would infuriate too many fans.

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