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So I've been reading into the fluff for warhammer and the AL in particular, and I have to ask what exactly is their ultimate purpose? I ask this because the world eaters for example seem to be easy to underestand and what their purpose (Khorne)

To me from the novels like Delieverance Lost and their others, they seem to have a James Bond/Mission Impossible type feel mixed in with this illumnati playing both sides for a third outcome etc...
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Only they know if they even know. Some parts have fallen to chaos. I recall one Black Library novel about a group of alpha legion being led by a daemon prince of Tzeench. Of course who knows, maybe Tzeench is in on it.
From what I can tell from the pre-heresy novels their goal WAS to ensure that Horus won and then self destructed from his own guilt taking most or all of humanity (and the chaos gods power base) along with him. The other half of that prophecy delivered by the Eldar and xenos supposedly older and more prescient than the Eldar was that the emperor would win and eventually humanity would expand and empower chaos beyond what the Emperor could control until it all spiraled into oblivion. What ended up happening was something in between.
After the fall of Horus they went on a little vendetta war against the Ultramarines with little explanation. Simple vengeance? A last ditch attempt at weakening the to-be Imperium's best defenders? A lash of desperation? Who knows. My favorite theory involves swapping out Robute with one of the primarchs in between the time he was stabbed and when he was locked up in the stasis field. After that they scattered and compartmentalized. As far as it hasn't been stated neither primarchs was elevated to daemon-primarch nor were they killed on screen. So it's all up in the air.
Going back to the xeno kabal. The prophecy was either salvation or damnation. Since the coin landed on its edge and the Eldar are to this day still fighting there is a chance that chaos can still be beaten. Last we knew of the Alpha Legion they were still fighting against chaos as a double agent. A central group may be continuing the fight to the 41st millennia. Other cells may have fallen to chaos. Also I'm pretty sure Tzeench knows about it, whether or not he's against it is an entirely different animal.


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Just assume that they're attempting to meet their own goals.

Trying to divine anything else than that is beyond comprehension.

They might have tried to ensure Horus winning or they might have been loyal to the emperor, and sided with Horus to ensure that they could limit what he could do.

It's also possible that they found out about the Nids and necrons coming and wanted to ensure that the galaxy could survive.

Personally I like the idea that they are still closet loyalists for the most part aside from a few cells that turned.

Their goal is to find a way to contain chaos and all that.
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Just assume that they're attempting to meet their own goals.

Trying to divine anything else than that is beyond comprehension.

They might have tried to ensure Horus winning or they might have been loyal to the emperor, and sided with Horus to ensure that they could limit what he could do.

It's also possible that they found out about the Nids and necrons coming and wanted to ensure that the galaxy could survive.

Personally I like the idea that they are still closet loyalists for the most part aside from a few cells that turned.

Their goal is to find a way to contain chaos and all that.
Closet loyalists, now there's a cool idea!

So there's no indication as to whether Alpharius/Omegon/ Alpharius Omegon is alive?
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If you read Legion: Secrets and Lies it shows that the Alpha Legion likes playing the shell game with their Primarchs. They also use plastic surgery to make their marines look like them. It's also inferred that they are the galaxies smallest Primarchs since they cans blend in with their marines so well.
Supposedly one died in a duel with Roboute Guilliman, but who knows. IMHO the duel and the battle which led to it is so uncharacteristic of the Alpha Legion's tactics and so very fitting of the Ultramarines it smacks of being a setup. Especially considering that it was the Alphas who decided it's terms. They were defending, but up until that point they were doing everything they could to avoids a stand up fight, there was no reason to entrench and face a superior force head one. The Ultramarines did not outmaneuver them. Either Alpharius/Omegon got too cocky which goes directly against their character and thought they could beat the Ultramarines at their own game. Or some other marine took the fall for the Primarchs to satiate Roboute after inflicting enough losses on the Ultramarines to have them fall to an unknown xeno threat. Or maybe it was just to show the Ultramarines the superiority of covert tactics hoping they would adopt them to fight chaos since the whole Heresy thing didn't work out. Who knows.
Characterizing the Alphas as closet loyalists is incorrect IMHO. They're more antichaos than pro human. After watching the little slideshow they agreed to help engineer Horus's victory with the idea he would annihilate the human race in a giant guilt trip this depriving chaos of power. In the end they sided either with xenos or fell to chaos. They very much are the enemies of the Emperor at this point.
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If you read Legion: Secrets and Lies it shows that the Alpha Legion likes playing the shell game with their Primarchs. They also use plastic surgery to make their marines look like them. It's also inferred that they are the galaxies smallest Primarchs since they cans blend in with their marines so well.
Supposedly one died in a duel with Roboute Guilliman, but who knows. IMHO the duel and the battle which led to it is so uncharacteristic of the Alpha Legion's tactics and so very fitting of the Ultramarines it smacks of being a setup. Especially considering that it was the Alphas who decided it's terms. They were defending, but up until that point they were doing everything they could to avoids a stand up fight, there was no reason to entrench and face a superior force head one. The Ultramarines did not outmaneuver them. Either Alpharius/Omegon got too cocky which goes directly against their character and thought they could beat the Ultramarines at their own game. Or some other marine took the fall for the Primarchs to satiate Roboute after inflicting enough losses on the Ultramarines to have them fall to an unknown xeno threat. Or maybe it was just to show the Ultramarines the superiority of covert tactics hoping they would adopt them to fight chaos since the whole Heresy thing didn't work out. Who knows.
Characterizing the Alphas as closet loyalists is incorrect IMHO. They're more antichaos than pro human. After watching the little slideshow they agreed to help engineer Horus's victory with the idea he would annihilate the human race in a giant guilt trip this depriving chaos of power. In the end they sided either with xenos or fell to chaos. They very much are the enemies of the Emperor at this point.
You're referring to the battle on Eskrador. As you've said, everything seems a bit too out of place. But the main thing to remember, is the only account of Eskrador came from Inquisitor Kravin, who in the end became suspected of being a member of the Order of the Hydra, an Alpha Legion agent, and subsequently disappeared. Even the Ultramarines themselves doubt the validity of what happened on Eskrador.
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I don't think even GW knows the ultimate purpose of the Alpha Legion (other than they, or at least their storyline, introducing all the elements that I believe thoroughly ruined an otherwise cool book series, as well as being about as well-written and deep as the Iron Warriors).

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If you read Legion: Secrets and Lies it shows that the Alpha Legion likes playing the shell game with their Primarchs. They also use plastic surgery to make their marines look like them. It's also inferred that they are the galaxies smallest Primarchs since they cans blend in with their marines so well.
Supposedly one died in a duel with Roboute Guilliman, but who knows. IMHO the duel and the battle which led to it is so uncharacteristic of the Alpha Legion's tactics and so very fitting of the Ultramarines it smacks of being a setup. Especially considering that it was the Alphas who decided it's terms. They were defending, but up until that point they were doing everything they could to avoids a stand up fight, there was no reason to entrench and face a superior force head one. The Ultramarines did not outmaneuver them. Either Alpharius/Omegon got too cocky which goes directly against their character and thought they could beat the Ultramarines at their own game. Or some other marine took the fall for the Primarchs to satiate Roboute after inflicting enough losses on the Ultramarines to have them fall to an unknown xeno threat. Or maybe it was just to show the Ultramarines the superiority of covert tactics hoping they would adopt them to fight chaos since the whole Heresy thing didn't work out. Who knows.
Characterizing the Alphas as closet loyalists is incorrect IMHO. They're more antichaos than pro human. After watching the little slideshow they agreed to help engineer Horus's victory with the idea he would annihilate the human race in a giant guilt trip this depriving chaos of power. In the end they sided either with xenos or fell to chaos. They very much are the enemies of the Emperor at this point.
Again you're taking it at face value that the slide show was enough to convince them to side with Horus.

The AL are spy masters, their MO involves infiltration and misdirection having them join horus as a double agent fits their tactic.
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Again you're taking it at face value that the slide show was enough to convince them to side with Horus.

The AL are spy masters, their MO involves infiltration and misdirection having them join horus as a double agent fits their tactic.

Very true. That slipped my mind. You need a notepad with a branching flowchart of all decisions and possible outcomes to correctly determine what the Alpha Legion are up to.
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The Alpha Legion have no purpose. I personally believe Chaos has infiltrated them due to their psychological need to deceive others. There are few within the legion that manipulate the Alpha Legion for their own means. But most seem the have no will of their own.
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