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post #11 of 17 (permalink) Old 07-21-15, 03:44 PM
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I might be missing something, what makes you think there are no successor chapters? There are an incredible number of chapters with unknown founders.

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Originally Posted by el_machinae View Post
I might be missing something, what makes you think there are no successor chapters? There are an incredible number of chapters with unknown founders.
Absolutely, however it is weird that apart from the Storm Giants and Black Dragons there are not even rumours about other successors. There is no info about other Chapters who have glowing eyes (which we know from Massacre is the other readily identifiable geneseed marker for the Salamanders) and for such a famous (in a good way Chapter) to have no Chapters claiming lineage from them despite 10K years passing since they were nearly annihilated.

The Raven Guard suffered horrific problems with their geneseed due to the events of Deliverance Lost and yet they were still able to produce 3 2nd founding Chapters (Raptors, Black Guard and Revilers) despite having roughly the same number of survivors after Istvaan V (around 3000).

I'm not including the Carcharodon Astra in this as technically they were of an unnamed founding which I'll call the 1.5 founding since they were expelled from the Raven Guard even prior to the Heresy and so they cannot be counted as 2nd founding (although in official records they are probably counted as such.)

We also know from Massacre that some of the Iron Hands went insane and we also know that the Iron Hands 2nd wave were also annihilated (described in Veritas Ferrum audibook) yet there were enough survivors to produce The Brazen Claw and the Red Talons at the end of the Heresy.

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From Armageddon, though they had strengths that gave them better resistance to heat conditions and toxins, they were slightly slower and smaller than their other kin. It was enough that older stats gave them basic initiative of three.
Smaller? I've read slower but never smaller.
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They do its just they don't pay child support.
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post #15 of 17 (permalink) Old 10-24-15, 04:32 PM
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I always felt Salamanders suffered from heavy casualties due to their environment and the missions they were sent on. That could be partly why their companies are undermanned.

I do believe though that their intimate testing is the hardest of all astartes. Im sure that doesn't help how they look in terms of a force with the high lords.
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Their smaller size may be attributed to their home world and radioactivity levels. Which could over generations cause stunted growth. Also black skin can be caused by generations of a people exposed to sunlight. So I feel the skin colour isn't a huge trait on a successor chapter. ... The red eyes though. Definitely more of a hint at their gene seed origins!

I also think of all the chapters, the Salamanders are on of the most worthy to be legion sized due to their kindness to the rest of humanity.
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My Home-brew Sons of Vulkan used to be a Salamander successor chapter but they had Power Armour issues (#1) and then got lost in the warp. (#2)

#1. GW changed there paint range. Shining Gold turned into Gahenna's Gold, which was a completely different shade and any new painted models looked completely different, tut.

#2. By lost in the warp I mean sold on e-bay.
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