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They havent been described as having pasty faces. So unlikely to be Ravenguard successors, as their successors share the pasty face trait.
But they haven't been described without helmets at all have they?


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From In the depths of hades:
Vinyar turned and saw a third warrior standing by Sergeant Tuurok. Like the other Malevolents he was clad in bile-yellow and coal-black armour and moved with a predatory grace. His helmet was loosely attached to his belt, not mag-locked but held by a strap of leather. Though still battered, some of his battleplate looked more robust than the rest, as if it were an amalgam and not a concomitant suit. Scraped paint revealed some of the nature of who it had been taken from – black with a white templar cross. He wore his hammer strapped diagonally across his back – its haft jutted out above his left shoulder guard, the head visible just past his right hip. He looked battle-worn but vital, and was less scarred than Vinyar. Shoulder-length, pearl-white hair framed his face, giving the warrior a pseudo-angelic cast, but there was hate enough in his dark eyes to drown nations.
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I think of the Marines Malevolent like the original Star Trek episode "Mirror, Mirror." They all have goatees and are mostly bad people. They are the opposite of the mostly altruistic space marines from the regular universe. They're petty, backstabbing, and power hungry. They have jobs to do but also have to watch out for their comrades coming after them.

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He wore his hammer strapped diagonally across his back – its haft jutted out above his left shoulder guard, the head visible just past his right hip.
Off topic, but I always find it odd when it's mentioned that Astartes characters sling their weapons like this. Do the writers forget about the rather massive power packs on their backs? Look to the models alone, pick one up if you have one lying around and then get a melee weapon, or any weapons for that matter, or something of the appropriate size, and place it against the backpack. It just doesn't work, it would be the most awkward way possible to reach for a weapon.


On topic. I wouldn't rule out the Ultramarines, there are so, so many of them that I wouldn't doubt that they could have some rather extreme variation in some cases. As for the Imperial Fists, the Templars and Crimson Fists are quite different from their founding Legion as well, so they can't be entirely ruled out either.
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I blame that one on a Kyme'ism. Its after all him who have written nearly all Marines Malevolent stuff. But however, that reminded me of a final book to check and I found a mention!

Page 90 of Salamander. Two platinum service studs were drilled into the Marine Malevolent sergeant's skull. His skin was dark and rugged as if the centuries of battlefield dirt and enemy blood was ingrained in it.

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Given the general lack of mention of their skin tone, and this one, I think its safe to say that they are not a Ravenguard successor. As all their known successors have had very strong indications of their inherited traits of white skin and black hair.

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I blame that one on a Kyme'ism. Its after all him who have written nearly all Marines Malevolent stuff. But however, that reminded me of a final book to check and I found a mention!

Page 90 of Salamander. Two platinum service studs were drilled into the Marine Malevolent sergeant's skull. His skin was dark and rugged as if the centuries of battlefield dirt and enemy blood was ingrained in it.

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Given the general lack of mention of their skin tone, and this one, I think its safe to say that they are not a Ravenguard successor. As all their known successors have had very strong indications of their inherited traits of white skin and black hair.
Good find, well I guess that rules out both the Raven Guard and Night Lords. I suppose they could be a weird Ultramarine offshoot. It's also known that the Salamanders only have black onyx like skin due to the radiation on Nocturne. Could it be possible that the MMs are descended from a hitherto unknown remnant of the Salamanders who went a bit insane after Istvaan V in the same way that some of the Iron Hands were described as going insane.

Could this be what Nick Kyme is hinting at with all the bad feeling between the Salamanders and the MMs. Could the MMs be the wicked disowned sons of the Salamanders?

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I think he mainly wanted to portray some of the darker sides of the astartes, a chapter that have forgotten their humanity. A quite jarring contrast to the humanist Salamanders.

However, that reminds me of something. The Salamanders had such a low number after the Horus Heresy that they took no part in the Second Founding, which is mentioned in the Salamander novel as well, page 131. So they cannot be the sires of the MMs, as they were about in M32.

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However, that reminds me of something. The Salamanders had such a low number after the Horus Heresy that they took no part in the Second Founding, which is mentioned in the Salamander novel as well, page 131. So they cannot be the sires of the MMs, as they were about in M32.
This would be a good point, but the seconomy founding occurred during M31, the Marines Malevolent are a third founding chapter.

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Point. But according to wiki the third founding only lists Flesh Eaters and Executioners at the very beginning of M32. But I can see the MMs are listed as an unstated founding in M32.

But the MMs is described as never having seen a marine with a melanchromic defect before, upon their initial meeting with the Salamanders. Appearing very suprised at the sight of the unhelmed salamanders, to the point of almost drawing weapons.
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