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post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old 02-07-15, 08:57 PM Thread Starter
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My lore isnt the best to say the least and cant figure out where to find the answer, so I thought to ask it here.

It's stated (dont know for sure) Horus saw the Space Wolves and Thousand Sons as being the two legions that could threaten his war against the Emperor. Where does that come from and why did he see them as the big threat and not other, far larger legions like the Ultramarines.

This question has been nagging me the more I play my Space Wolves army. Thanks in advance.
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In Prospero Burns, the daemon in Horus's guise says, "Two key obstacles to my ambitions are the Sons of Prospero and the Wolves of Fenris. The former is the only Legion that has lorecraft enough to hinder me magically; the latter is the only Legion dangerous enough to represent a genuine military threat."

It's easy to see the Thousand Sons having the lore or knowledge to hinder the rebellion--perhaps by clearing the Ruinstorm or banishing the very important daemonic allies Horus will use on Terra. The Space Wolves is a trickier question.

It states the only Legion to pose a genuine military threat...

I don't know. Maybe the Wolves were destined to be on the fields of Istvaan V, but instead of being shocked by the betrayal of their brothers, the Wolves would have rallied the Salamanders, Iron Hands, and Raven Guard and blasted their way through the Traitors and made good their escape?

But this is before Istvaan III, much less Istvaan V (which wasn't originally planned by Horus...his hand was forced when the Eisenstein escaped).

Then again the Warp doesn't give a poop about linear time, so who knows?
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It states the only Legion to pose a genuine military threat...

I don't know. Maybe the Wolves were destined to be on the fields of Istvaan V, but instead of being shocked by the betrayal of their brothers, the Wolves would have rallied the Salamanders, Iron Hands, and Raven Guard and blasted their way through the Traitors and made good their escape?

But this is before Istvaan III, much less Istvaan V (which wasn't originally planned by Horus...his hand was forced when the Eisenstein escaped).

Then again the Warp doesn't give a poop about linear time, so who knows?
At this point The wolves were probably the only legion to successfully wipe out another legion.

Perhaps They would have saw through the deception and realized what was going on before the trap fell?
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Thanks for the specific sentence and book, Hailene. While it does make sense with the Thousand Sons, I still dont understand why the Space Wolves were considered the only genuine military threat to Horus, especially being one of the smaller legions.

Not that I dont doubt it, just that it doesnt make sense to me is all. Am I missing something? Just about all they had going for themselves against Horus was their absolute pack-mentality, their innate defense against Chaos, and the fact they were the Emperor's Executioners, at least to my knowledge.

Only thing I can think of was the fact their defense against Chaos via the Wulfen was what Horus meant when he stated they were the only genuine military threat to him, due to him being powers by the Chaos gods. Can someone sound me out on whether that could be the case or not?
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I dunno, as said, the fact that they are the only Legion we currently know of that have wiped out another Legion, perhaps even two, would make them seem like quite a formidable threat. Proper Legion on Legion fighting hasn't happened by this point yet for all the other Legions, it's still a brand new concept and one which they are going to face soon when they enact their Heresy. The Wolves on the other hand, are not only familiar with it, they are evidently quite proficient at it as well.
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Horus was partly relying on the other legions not believing what was happening until it was too late to do much about it. Knowing that Russ was more than willing to tackle another primarch even without official sanction as we saw when he took on Angron, never mind what did or didn't happen with the lost legions, Horus would have seen that, when tied to Russ's unshakeable loyalty to the Emperor as a serious threat to the rebellion at the very outset.

There is also the fact that bigger legions that on paper would be bigger threats, like the UMs or BAs, would be taken out of the equation by the Ruinstorm or possibly even siding with Horus, whereas Fenris is relatively close to Terra, so the Wolves would be better placed to react to an attack there.
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Also, after Nikea, only three legions retained their librarius : The White Scar, who where closer from Horus, the Thousand Sons, who where caught in the plot of Prospero, and the Wolves who where stubornly attached to their runepriest.

Having those three legions under his heels or destroyed, Horus would have all the more expertimented psykers with him.
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Could it have something to do with Russ being the second primarch to be found?

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