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At a point somewhere near the latter stages of the book, it is revealed that there exists necrons who are not true necrons at all. Instead, these individuals are referred to as "false necrons."

Now, the case could be made that all necrons are of the same nature. The major difference between necrons and false necrons is that false necrons were not alive at the time of biotransference. Instead their minds are artificial intelligences based on the minds of former generals and nobles of the necrontyr. True necrons are the minds of those who were alive for the pact between the c'tan.

However, it seems apparent for their brief time in the book that these false necrons are capable of rational thought, military action and better than their counterparts, loyalty. Further, in a tomb world that was wracked by the flayer virus, the false necrons remained seemingly unaffected to a man... cron.

Added to this the fact that many true necrons have a somewhat loose grip on their sanity, I wonder if the slow "deaths" of the true necrons (who, it is confirmed are well capable of dying permanently now) would actually diminish the tombworlds, or slowly make them more efficient?


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who built the fake necrons and for what purpose?
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lots of mystery! and the joys of being a BL writer where you can do anything and it becomes part of official warhammer lore...

also the Necrons are what I would call a "dead" race to be honest, they ARE supposed to be the machination skeletal husks of their former selves. IE: terminator esque undead.
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Well, in the Hyperion and Endymion series by author Dan Simmons, his own future AI environment create personalities based on all the known writings/actions/factors for a particular historical figure to delve how those individual intellects would react to events contemporary to the story. Considering all the Necrons were caught up in and part of the pact with the C'tan, there might be worth in creating a separate personality who wasn't, for whatever strategic political or military purposes. Especially since most of Necron society became a fly in amber, seemingly, following the pact with the C'tan.

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who built the fake necrons and for what purpose?
They were created in the image of those from the time of flesh before the biotransferrence, presumably by the true necrons.

Their purpose is as advisory and support roles, as their programming is based off the personalities, memories and deeds of those whose names they bear. However it is also stated that they were created in part due to remembrance, as they seem to be pivotal figures of necrontyr history.

Valnyr (the cryptek protagonist) describes them as lacking the poise and grace of true necrons and that no true intelligence guides them, merely simulated AI.

However, their characters seem as fluid and self aware as any you'd expect as being necron. They converse, pose ideas to one another and one of them even expresses a fear of mortality despite knowing his own true nature. He says something along the lines of "I may be no more than a simulacrum, but I have no wish to face the darkness of the real grave."

Seems necron enough for me.


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The 'dying race' seemed to be because it was a one-way street. Each bit of damage can only be repaired, and sometimes that repair is imperfect. So, damage accumulates over the spans of time. There was no way to make new Necrons. Has this new 'fake' Necron changed that? Well, only if new ones can be made. Otherwise, it's merely that the pool of slowly degrading entities is larger than we originally thought.

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The 'dying race' seemed to be because it was a one-way street. Each bit of damage can only be repaired, and sometimes that repair is imperfect. So, damage accumulates over the spans of time. There was no way to make new Necrons. Has this new 'fake' Necron changed that? Well, only if new ones can be made. Otherwise, it's merely that the pool of slowly degrading entities is larger than we originally thought.
Well the false necrons are purely AI. Much like the canoptek robots, only more advances. So the loss of personality and sanity isn't really a factor for them, they'll always be the same program. That's why I suggested that the deaths of the true necrons might gradually make them as a faction overall more efficient.


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Well, even AIs can degrade if their housing is damaged severely enough and often enough. It's mostly a question of whether they can replicate. If there is a way for new entities to be created to replace dying entities, so that the Necron society can thrive regardless of individual losses, then I'd say they're not a dying race!

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