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Also; apparently the Space Sharks *are not* imperial Night Lords, but they just fight like they are.
Based on the info in Extermination the Carcharodon Astra/Space Sharks are most likely the Raven Guard that were sent on an eternal voyage in Nomad Predation fleets by Corax when he took over. He didn't like the existing high command of the XIX legion as he felt they were too similar to the slavers he had fought on Deliverance.

I believe that one of the CA's fleet is actually listed in the heresy era Raven Guard fleet (sorry I can't remember the name offhand).

More evidence to support this is that the CA's commander displays the white skin and black eyes which are classic Raven Guard gene seed indicators.

What's interesting is that since they were "ejected" from the Raven Guard prior to the gene seed tampering, technically they would have the most pure Raven Guard gene seed in the galaxy since all the Raven Guard successors would potentially have the corrupted gene seed although why the Raptors seem to have no problems with their gene seed is open to debate.

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What's interesting is that since they were "ejected" from the Raven Guard prior to the gene seed tampering, technically they would have the most pure Raven Guard gene seed in the galaxy since all the Raven Guard successors would potentially have the corrupted gene seed although why the Raptors seem to have no problems with their gene seed is open to debate.
The first group of aspirants created using the gene technology Corax had acquired on his trip to Terra were called the Raptors. I think this first group numbered 500 IIRC. This is before the Alpha Legion infiltrators tampered with everything. Its safe to assume most of them survived to become the Raptors chapter during the second founding. Taking this into account would explain why the Raptors have few problems with their gene seed.

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Yeah, sorry, had a brain fart there. for some reason I was thinking that the "knights errant" were a marine chapter.

Never mind.

But does it make sense for the same group to found both organizations? I know the GK and the -I- work pretty closely obviously.
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But does it make sense for the same group to found both organizations? I know the GK and the -I- work pretty closely obviously.
The first inquisitors and first knights errant/GKs were all presented to the emperor by Malcador at the same time. Personally I think Garro could end up as a proto Inquisitor rather than a GK, just from looking at the role he is fulfilling at the moment.

As for the Raven Guard, it's also interesting to note that the DE have tampered with their gene seed as well as the mess caused by the AL.
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The first inquisitors and first knights errant/GKs were all presented to the emperor by Malcador at the same time. Personally I think Garro could end up as a proto Inquisitor rather than a GK, just from looking at the role he is fulfilling at the moment.

As for the Raven Guard, it's also interesting to note that the DE have tampered with their gene seed as well as the mess caused by the AL.
The Dark Eldar tampered with the Raven Guard's geneseed? And the Alpha Legion as well?
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The Dark Eldar tampered with the Raven Guard's geneseed?
There's mention in a White Dwarf of a heamonculus coven taking exception to the RG interfering with them on particular planet in M36, and they reeked a genetic revenge that took 101 years to manifest. No mention of how it actually manifested though.

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It's all in Deliverance Lost.
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There's mention in a White Dwarf of a heamonculus coven taking exception to the RG interfering with them on particular planet in M36, and they reeked a genetic revenge that took 101 years to manifest. No mention of how it actually manifested though.


It's all in Deliverance Lost.
Ah! have not read that one yet
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I believe that one of the CA's fleet is actually listed in the heresy era Raven Guard fleet (sorry I can't remember the name offhand).
You're thinking of the Nicor, which also served as the flagship for the Carcharodons during the Badab War.
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Two other things:

1. The Blood Ravens-Thousand Sons connection didn't become solid until the Horus Heresy novel A Thousand Sons. I understand Black Library has tried to distance itself from that angle since, but it was a rather blatant one.

2. And speaking of blatant angles/connections, I sincerely hope the decision is never made to disconnect the Knights Errant from the Grey Knights. I can't see how that would be accomplished without it being a contrived move, purely to throw in an unnecessary "Gotcha!" twist.
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Two other things:1. The Blood Ravens-Thousand Sons connection didn't become solid until the Horus Heresy novel A Thousand Sons. I understand Black Library has tried to distance itself from that angle since, but it was a rather blatant one.
Really? I picked up a few hints since A Thousand Sons. Thief of Revelations (IIRC) for example.



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