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Not really, no. Dorn was one of several primarchs who needed to assuage their ego and pride after the Heresy (alongside Russ and even the Khan.)

Guilliman on the other hand was always noted for being more rational in the face of great tragedy. And hell, if the Unremembered Empire was anything to go by then he was definitely able to fathom the Emperor being defeated.
I actually misread the quote, thought he meant how Empy died.

Look I always have found Guilliman to be overrated, but you have a point. Guilliman has always been the savior of the IOM after the HH. And you are using Abnett's writing as an example? Abnett writes POV, you are aware of that?

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And you are using Abnett's writing as an example? Abnett writes POV, you are aware of that?
Depends on the story he writes yes. And Abnett or not, the Unremembered Empire goes at length to show that Guilliman was prepared to accept that the Emperor might fall and the Imperium would still need to be held together, which is exactly what happened post Heresy and Scouring.

Like or dislike of Abnett doesn't play into it, thats how Guilliman was always portrayed.

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Not really, no. Dorn was one of several primarchs who needed to assuage their ego and pride after the Heresy (alongside Russ and even the Khan.)

Guilliman on the other hand was always noted for being more rational in the face of great tragedy. And hell, if the Unremembered Empire was anything to go by then he was definitely able to fathom the Emperor being defeated.
I actually misread the quote, thought he meant how Empy died.

Look I always have found Guilliman to be overrated, but you have a point. Guilliman has always been the savior of the IOM after the HH. And you are using Abnett's writing as an example? Abnett writes POV, you are aware of that?
We get it you hate the ultramarines. Guilliman has never once been written to be overrated in the heresy series thus far
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We get it you hate the ultramarines. Guilliman has never once been written to be overrated in the heresy series thus far
I have never held hatred, just no love lost for the Ultras. Seriously. I loathe the fanbois of the Ultras, Abnett did a fine POV-job with them. I just don't like people stuffing down their interpretation into my throat and telling me, that's fluff. Then I really tend to go in the opposite direction. Which is my major gripe with many Ultramarine-fans.

I can't stand people that tell me how to think and feel, its a natural thing to show them the middle-finger. Especially when they have showed me no respect in the first place. I'm a mirrorer.

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We get it you hate the ultramarines. Guilliman has never once been written to be overrated in the heresy series thus far
I have never held hatred, just no love lost for the Ultras. Seriously. I loathe the fanbois of the Ultras, Abnett did a fine POV-job with them. I just don't like people stuffing down their interpretation into my throat and telling me, that's fluff. Then I really tend to go in the opposite direction. Which is my major gripe with many Ultramarine-fans.

I can't stand people that tell me how to think and feel, its a natural thing to show them the middle-finger. Especially when they have showed me no respect in the first place. I'm a mirrorer.
I honestly had no intent of disrespect, so I apologize for that. Ultramarines are my legion, so I will defend them till the end. I didn't mean to shove my beliefs down your throat so I also apologize for that
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You are taking your aggreivance with the 'fanbois' (the fuck are you, 12?) With those having a rational discussion using facts as presented to us in a fantasy world, not to mention the facts as is. Very blinkered.

And honestly mate, being a 'mirrorer' just turns you into a right little knob. You have to earn or take your respect. You have done neither. Go take out your prepubescent frustations on a titty rag and let adults talk. Essentially, you are borderline trolling.



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So I just got here, and this is crazy,

But the primarchs seemed pretty useless in the absence of their Emperor.

So just make new ones... maybe?

At this point I would imagine there are far more qualified people in the woodwork, just waiting for a chance to actually lead and/or make a difference. Unless Guilliman is a flat out astronomical genius, then honestly he seems irrelevant. He'd have 10,000 years of catching up to do, and his Ultramarines would be but one chapter, give or take those offshoots that are intensely loyal. The bureaucracy he helped put into place would no doubt buck his every initiative, and if pressed, could cause another civil war.


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So I just got here, and this is crazy,

But the primarchs seemed pretty useless in the absence of their Emperor.

So just make new ones... maybe?

At this point I would imagine there are far more qualified people in the woodwork, just waiting for a chance to actually lead and/or make a difference. Unless Guilliman is a flat out astronomical genius, then honestly he seems irrelevant. He'd have 10,000 years of catching up to do, and his Ultramarines would be but one chapter, give or take those offshoots that are intensely loyal. The bureaucracy he helped put into place would no doubt buck his every initiative, and if pressed, could cause another civil war.
welcome to the fray. Guilliman is in all senses of the word, an astronomical genius. His mind is that of 100 supercomputers. I think he would catch up very quickly, and honestly, theres not alot to catch up on. He would have to re write some combat doctrines on some new foes, and slap the high lords around a bit, but tech wise theres nothing new.

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