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I'd like to see a Primarch return. If it's Rowboat, then fair enough as he's the master logistician etc.

Plus, I'd give a kidney to see him beat his way into the High Lords chamber. "What the actual fuck are you bunch of muppets playing at!?"
i think it would be great to see what roboute thinks of the ultramarines!

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i think it would be great to see what roboute thinks of the ultramarines!
I think the opinion would be the most epic face palm in history.

Everything the ultramarines are now is the exact opposite of what gulliman wanted them to be, in fact there's only one ultramarine who would fit with the model of what an ultramarine should be.

Even if he returned what could he really do. the ultramarine controlled area is the best area in the imperium to live, unless is figures out a way to knock some sense into the mechanius and is capable of organizing the various astartes chapters who are all doing their own thing into performing useful tasks, not to mention figuring out a way to put the eccentrically back in their place it's not going to change anything.
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I think the opinion would be the most epic face palm in history.

Everything the ultramarines are now is the exact opposite of what gulliman wanted them to be, in fact there's only one ultramarine who would fit with the model of what an ultramarine should be.

Even if he returned what could he really do. the ultramarine controlled area is the best area in the imperium to live, unless is figures out a way to knock some sense into the mechanius and is capable of organizing the various astartes chapters who are all doing their own thing into performing useful tasks, not to mention figuring out a way to put the eccentrically back in their place it's not going to change anything.
Ya guilliman never intended for the codex to be followed so strictly. This is the reason why 30k ultramarines are my favourite legions, but 40k ultras are not.
Well I think he's the one man that can unite the imperium. He did amazing things during the scouring, and while I know there are far more numerous threats, he may be able to amazing things

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No please, I rather see someone who just left return. Khan or Russ. They might have found this item that heal people in stasis.

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i think it would be great to see what roboute thinks of the ultramarines!
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I could totally see Khan being " kidnapped " by Dark Eldar and held in Commoragh though.
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This is really more of a 40k fluff discussion than Black Library. Moved.

Personally, I think Roboute returning would be a cheap plot twist. Frankly I think most of the current primarch "endings" are cheap plot twists. One or two would have been okay, but as we see from Vaz' list, GW clearly doesn't know how to keep a story under control. It was better when all of them were dead or daemonic. Added to their status as legends from an older time, the likes of whom will never be seen again.


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Russ or the Khan would not unite the Imperium. In fact, I do not believe the High Lords would recognize them at all. Likely they'd be declared some sort of Chaos abomination, the findings would be backed by an equally suspicious (and power hungry) Inquisition and the Primarchs would be hunted until death.

Yes the Space Wolves would flock to Russ and the White Scars and their successors. But neither legion was exactly very prolific in generating successors, especially the Wolves. At best, they'd have fled to the very edge of Imperial space where Russ/Khan would lead a guerilla war while trying to rapidly increase their numbers. Although for the Wolves this may be impossible since they have such a strong connection to Fenris.

Guilliman's return would be met with more respect (and fear) by the High Lords. If Guilliman called upon the Ultramarines and their successors to rally to him -- many would. But then I feel just as many would not. Why? Just because you are a Primarch doesn't mean people (or Astartes) will believe you. Guilliman's been, for all intents and purposes, dead for 10,000ish years. Again I think a great many people would just see it as some Chaos inspired trick.

We've already seen things similar to this occur in the Blood Angels Omnibus. The Chapters would not eagerly or willingly embrace their Primarchs. They'd think them some grim and masterful Chaos trick.

Edit: One thing to also keep in perspective is that amount of time these Chapters have been without their Primarchs. Yes Guilliman, Khan, and Russ led their chapters for perhaps a thousand years at most (I'm being liberal here because I don't honestly know), but these Chapters (and their successors) have been independent and left to their own devices for 9,000 plus years. In the case of the Founding Chapters I feel the Primarchs would be lauded ... but the Successor Chapters may not be so inclined since they've formed their own, very unique personalities and traditions over the years which in some cases is radically different than their Founders.

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How do you think the meeting with Calgar and Guilliman would go? I don't know enough about Calgar to guess.
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