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I'm not exactly sure how daemons see. I'm thinking they don't see using their eyes where light strikes the retina and then a signal passes from the optic nerve to the brain. I'm thinking daemons don't have nerves or brains as such. I think they see using their connection to the warp to see where their enemy's souls are and attack that location. Can someone with more knowledge in Liber Daemonica advise on this?

If my thoughts about this are true, can daemons actually see Pariahs at all? Could a pariah simply walk past daemons due to being invisible?
EDIT - I've just read on Lexicanum that Pariah's are invisible to daemons but I'm always wary about info that states "Needs Citation"

Finally, I'm surprised that that Grey Knights don't use Pariahs. After all I'm sure they would have access to the same pool of recruits as the Culexus Temple, and Inquisitors are able to find them. Imagine how powerful a Pariah Grey Knight would be in fighting daemons.

EDIT - IF (a big if) Pariahs are invisible to Daemons it makes the idea of a Pariah Grey Knight an even better prospect.

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Daemons are given form by nightmares. We see them in a humanoid form, as thats how a human mind is trying to bring order and reason to the chaotic. But sometimes its too much, the horror of chaos spawn for one.

But yes, they navigate by seeing soulfires.
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I'm not exactly sure how daemons see.
Yeah, they see the souls of mortals. As for the Pariahs, I think there was a novel, can't remember which one, where demons could see a particularly strong one because of the hole he seemed to leave around him. Kinda like something passing in front of a really bright light. You can't see the object, just that it's blocking the light behind it. They were still repelled by it though.

As for GKs using them, they are anathema to what the GKs are. They wouldn't be able to share the same air as them. On top of that, psykers are much more common than Pariahs, so any Pariahs that are discovered will be earmarked for more specialised roles within the Inquisition or Assassins.
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As Brother Lucian says, they do see soulfires but they can sort of see normally just that everything is dark. Hopefully somebody could explain it better than me.

I think Pariahs have been retconned. From what I recall, they were mainly a necron thing and when they got their (new) codex they never mentioned Pariahs.

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There's a passage in the 5th edition Daemons codex that's told from the perspective of a Herald of Khorne, and he can distinguish that the Space Marines he's fighting are armoured in red.

If they just saw souls, they'd be running into trees and things all the time, so there's definitely some kind of obstacle detection in there somewhere.

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If they just saw souls, they'd be running into trees and things all the time, so there's definitely some kind of obstacle detection in there somewhere.
Of course they see more than just the soul, but everything else is just variations of shadow. I think it was in Wrath of Iron that it describes what the Slaaneshi demons saw when fighting the Iron Hands during the battle under the hive they were trying to assault, and that was pretty much it.

Interesting to note in that that the normal humans souls burned brighter than the IHs, something that the IH librarian ruminates on when he sees it for himself. His chapter brothers are loosing their souls to all the augmetic enhancements they give themselves.
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EDIT: I don't want to derail the thread or anything, but can anyone confirm that Pariahs do exist still?

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There are Culexus assassins in the new data slate, so yep, they do.
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Yeah, they see the souls of mortals. As for the Pariahs, I think there was a novel, can't remember which one, where demons could see a particularly strong one because of the hole he seemed to leave around him. Kinda like something passing in front of a really bright light. You can't see the object, just that it's blocking the light behind it. They were still repelled by it though.

As for GKs using them, they are anathema to what the GKs are. They wouldn't be able to share the same air as them. On top of that, psykers are much more common than Pariahs, so any Pariahs that are discovered will be earmarked for more specialised roles within the Inquisition or Assassins.
According to the emperor's gift the grey knights do have pariah/blanks.

They're rare but they are there.
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