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The Heresy has been an ongoing background to 40K since its inception in some way or form, and there is a lot of information (and misinformation) going on, regarding things holding over from previous editions fluff.

The current release of stuff has discounted that previous fluff, although possibly made comments regarding it as a #TBT to the vets who remember some of the older stuff. As such, I believe the older stuff is now blowing in the wind, other than to be used an inspiration - and we know GW loves its retcons.

So, where does that leave us with Heresy stuff?

Well, we have 3 full "campaign" books from Forge World, and two "gaming" consolidatory books, backed up by 25 novels, (not including the compilations) and its numerous shorts. This provides us with an absolute ton of information of characters, not only of the legions themselves, but the auxiliary forces serving with them. Most importantly, in my mind, is the characterisation of the Primarchs, not to mention the Audio exclusives (grumble, grumble, I'm-not-7-years-old-ffs, grumble).

I have an idea of stuff I'd like to do with it, but first, is there a possibility we can get a bit of a timeline going on, with regards to the novels?

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Now, that's a lot of stuff to be working through, and doesn't include anything from the 40K setting telling us "what we know" of the 30K setting. Is anyone willing to help with this first task?



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What exactly do you need doing? A timeline of events? If so, I fear that due to the Heresy series contradicting itself almost constantly, this would be a mammoth task!

What is your ultimate goal with this Vaz?

I'll be willing to help in some capacity.



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I also noticed that the BL had generally put the series in chronological order when you're perusing the Heresy section using their "Navigate the Range" option, including shorts, novellas, and audio. Or as they say, "A suggested reading order that broadly reflects the timeline."

So you're suggesting something else?

EDIT - I suppose there is the incorporation of the codicies, Forgeworld, and other non-BL publications now.

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It's a helpful thread to know whats out there. I'm actually surprised but I've been UA for a while.
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This is neat! Exactly this I was looking for at BL but in vain! Thank god for Heresy!

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Do you mean sticking the novels in a timeline or the various events taking place and referred to?

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That I was not aware of, thanks OTMT. It is indeed helpful.

The general idea was to eventually create a wiki, based on the 30K "canon" as presented. Not including the 40K stuff. For example, although we know Guilliman is killed post Heresy, the 30K canon (as presented in the above sources, and anything else released under the HH Black Library or Forge World headings) doesn't make us aware of that.

I don't trust the Lexicanum too much - it's quite poorly sourced, despite the effort that does go into it (or I've found), and I'd like to keep it differentiated as such from that setting. It would mean going through pretty much each page in those books, and writing down everything that happens in vast detail. It would also isolate the "modern" content from granfathered content from back in 2nd and 3rd editions introduced in White Dwarf articles - that stuff is now 4 editions or more ago, and actually has a dedicated team to ensure (ish) that stuff is kept to a consistent standard (if not necessarily of writing, of plot - (ish)).

The Timeline was the easiest way to see who would be interested in such an idea - by including such events. The recommended reading order I believe is the order they were published - they introduce characters you are supposed to know about - or at least recognise the processes gone on. For example, Legion needs to be read after the original trilogy, IMHO so you can understand the concept of the threat in Legion.

I'll knock up an example of what I intend over the day, and see what your opinions are, and if you're interested in such. It will take a while, but hopefully we can get a decent base on it.



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That I was not aware of, thanks OTMT. It is indeed helpful.

The recommended reading order I believe is the order they were published - they introduce characters you are supposed to know about - or at least recognise the processes gone on.
Da nada. I think BL just got tired of me popping my head up every year or so and asking how the hell to tell which books follow what, since I really appreciate the long story, especially once the shorts and audio all started queue jumping in the timeline backwards and forwards.

This sounds like an incredibly ambitious project and to coin a phrase, "Overwhelming odds, small chance of success, what are we waiting for?"

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