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Corax wasn't scared of facing Curze, the only Primarch he said he couldn't imagine beating was Angron. Corax fled the battle because A) he'd been fighting from the onset of the battle and Curze was fresh and B) He still had Lorgar to deal with and to take both of them would of cost him his own life and that of his legion which he wasn't willing to sacrifice.

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Corax wasn't scared of facing Curze, the only Primarch he said he couldn't imagine beating was Angron. Corax fled the battle because A) he'd been fighting from the onset of the battle and Curze was fresh and B) He still had Lorgar to deal with and to take both of them would of cost him his own life and that of his legion which he wasn't willing to sacrifice.
Merely conjecture proposed by Corax to assuage his own wounded ego from running from Curze, the fact of the matter is Corax was terrified to face Curze and run ran from him. The bottom line is Corax saw that Curze was far stronger than him when he forcefully, and effortlessly lifted Corax's straining lightning claw with one hand. Corax was fearful for his life which caused him to run, and in hindsight he hated himself for being weaker than Curze thus he created psychological justification for why he ran.

Corax was weak as well as tired, and he was unable to escape Curze's grasp. Curze could have killed Corax in that moment, and there would have been nothing that Corax could have done to stop it. Corax had lost his whip, Curze crushed Corax's lightning claw, and Curze could have stabbed Coraxz with his other free hand. The only reason Corax escaped is because he burned the entirety of his remaining fuel in his jump pack to give him the inertia to escape Curze's overwhelming strength.

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I somehow thought Primarches didn't fear anything, but I can be wrong. Though I love reading how Corax now is a Ciaphas Cain-like being, that could actually be a good story when I think about it.

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Merely conjecture proposed by Corax to assuage his own wounded ego from running from Curze, the fact of the matter is Corax was terrified to face Curze and run ran from him. The bottom line is Corax saw that Curze was far stronger than him when he forcefully, and effortlessly lifted Corax's straining lightning claw with one hand. Corax was fearful for his life which caused him to run, and in hindsight he hated himself for being weaker than Curze thus he created psychological justification for why he ran.

Corax was weak as well as tired, and he was unable to escape Curze's grasp. Curze could have killed Corax in that moment, and there would have been nothing that Corax could have done to stop it. Corax had lost his whip, Curze crushed Corax's lightning claw, and Curze could have stabbed Coraxz with his other free hand. The only reason Corax escaped is because he burned the entirety of his remaining fuel in his jump pack to give him the inertia to escape Curze's overwhelming strength.
And then just like that. I'm out again.
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And then just like that. I'm out again.
For no good reason it tends to end that way when Lux write something here sooner rather than later.

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And then just like that. I'm out again.
It can be hard to argue against sound logic, I understand you may leave.
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It can be hard to argue against sound logic, I understand you may leave.
Yes it's your "sound logic" that is the reason why I, personally, no longer bother to post in this sub forum. Why bother using page references to back yourself up after all.

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Yes it's your "sound logic" that is the reason why I, personally, no longer bother to post in this sub forum. Why bother using page references to back yourself up after all.
Oh come now, this is good practice for when you encounter these types of people in real life.
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Ok I'll bite.

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the fact of the matter is Corax was terrified to face Curze and run ran from him.
False.

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The bottom line is Corax saw that Curze was far stronger than him when he forcefully, and effortlessly lifted Corax's straining lightning claw with one hand.
Again false. Far stronger? Please. He WAS strained, the reason he has a 'calm' face during this scene is to make it seem that he's not. It plays right into the whole 'psychological warfare/instill fear' thing he goes for.

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Corax was fearful for his life which caused him to run
Again not true. He fled because he was heading to the areas of the battle which were most fierce (as stated by the enemy themselves) and to assist his men in escaping, he cared about keeping his legion alive.

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in hindsight he hated himself for being weaker than Curze thus he created psychological justification for why he ran.
No, he hated himself for letting Curze's parlor tricks get under his skin and for not staying and denying the enemy two commanders.

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Corax was tired
Fixed.

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he was unable to escape Curze's grasp.
And yet he did just that.

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Curze could have killed Corax in that moment, and there would have been nothing that Corax could have done to stop it. Corax had lost his whip, Curze crushed Corax's lightning claw, and Curze could have stabbed Coraxz with his other free hand.
He could have punched Curze in the face before he had a chance OR stopped his free claw with his other free hand(since only one was directed at Lorgar).

Have a nice day sir.

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I'm on a trip, so I don't have my books handy, but doesn't it say in Deliverence Lost why Corax fled Curze?

It was because Corax saw a dark reflection of what he could have been if he had not been raised by the wise intellectuals on his homeworld. What a monster Curze was and how easily Corax may have become his equal in brutality if circumstances were just a little bit different.
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