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But the codex states specifically that they rely on the Dolmen Gates, and would be forced to use slow moving stasis ships without them.
The codex says allot of things however it also creates allot of plot holes that don't make sense. The entire war in heaven would have been a curb stomp if they relied only on torch ships. Think about the distances between stars. Roughly 31 trillion kilometers.
Assuming the necrons had extremely powerful torch ships and inertial dampeners you're still talking about years to get anywhere. The one ones must have been idiots if they screwed up a war that bad to lose to them.
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It seems like the Necrons have the weakest link of all races in regards to info on their space travel. Or at least the weakest ideas that can be assumed from it.
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The one ones must have been idiots if they screwed up a war that bad to lose to them.
To be fair to the Old Ones, they didn't actually screw up. Their tech was always less advanced, but the Webway gave them far greater maneuverability than the necrons. It was when the necrons breached the webway that their Empire fell apart.

I suppose it is possible that this is literally how it went. The necrons and c'tan traveled slowly, exterminated all they came across, but the Old Ones were always able to swiftly flee and rebuild via the Webway. With both races being effectively immortal it does fit within the realms of possibility, even if it does sound a little duller than the rapid looking several page summary we get in the codex.


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The codex says allot of things however it also creates allot of plot holes that don't make sense. The entire war in heaven would have been a curb stomp if they relied only on torch ships. Think about the distances between stars. Roughly 31 trillion kilometers.
But the codex doesn't claim they fought the War in Heaven with the torch ships. It just states that without the Dolmen Gates the Necrons would completely rely on the torch ships, leaving us to deduce that they must have had some other method of FTL travel prior to them learning of the Dolmen Gates.

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I suppose it is possible that this is literally how it went. The necrons and c'tan traveled slowly, exterminated all they came across, but the Old Ones were always able to swiftly flee and rebuild via the Webway. With both races being effectively immortal it does fit within the realms of possibility, even if it does sound a little duller than the rapid looking several page summary we get in the codex.
Maybe. But their other technological feats (eg. non-warp teleportation) must surely suggest they achieved FTL travel. It would be odd for the Necrons to possess technology that can snuff out any star in the galaxy with a wave of the hand and yet rely on torch ships as their fastest method of star travel (aside from the Dolmen gates obviously).



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Maybe. But their other technological feats (eg. non-warp teleportation) must surely suggest they achieved FTL travel.
Without knowing how that technology works, we can't really say for sure. It could require pre-established beacons for all we know, which would still mean the necrons have to travel manually between destinations before teleportation can be achieved. The technology of Bloodswarm Nanoscarabs drawing Flayed Ones seems to suggest something along those lines.

Interestingly, the Flayed Ones seem able to travel where they please by using pocket dimensions apparently unknown or unused by the other necrons. I wonder if this ties in at all?


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The necron Deathmarks also travels through different dimensions.

But looking at the various necron dynasties, they all weathered the great sleep in different conditions. Some had nearly no trouble, others suffered from the ravages of time, alien raiders or even internal sabotage. Such as the jealous cryptek conning all of the leadership of his tombworld to sleep together, in a location he knew would be tectonically unstable. Wiping them all out and leaving him the sole major necron commander remaining upon awakening.

So it stands to reason that not every tombworld/dynasty is able to call upon the full range of their ancient technologies. Thusly nesseciting a reliance upon Dolmen Gates as a stopgap measure as they try to fully revive and piece together the remains of their realm. Especially when thinking about that it could take centuries for a tombworld to shake off ressurection lethargy.

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To be fair to the Old Ones, they didn't actually screw up. Their tech was always less advanced, but the Webway gave them far greater maneuverability than the necrons. It was when the necrons breached the webway that their Empire fell apart.

I suppose it is possible that this is literally how it went. The necrons and c'tan traveled slowly, exterminated all they came across, but the Old Ones were always able to swiftly flee and rebuild via the Webway. With both races being effectively immortal it does fit within the realms of possibility, even if it does sound a little duller than the rapid looking several page summary we get in the codex.
agreed in terms of science the old ones weren't that good due to over dependance of psychic warp power. It seems the old ones power came mostly from the warp.

While necrons seem to have mastered every branch of science known before the fragmentation of there empire due lack of psi magic even when they were flesh.

my friend said it best with an eldar comparison they weren't good at hard science but were monsters at magi tek. while the crons were scientific monsters before there empire fragmentation.

(god does anyone miss the near unstoppable silent killing machines necrons used to be they go to your world in instants and nuke it)

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But the codex doesn't claim they fought the War in Heaven with the torch ships. It just states that without the Dolmen Gates the Necrons would completely rely on the torch ships, leaving us to deduce that they must have had some other method of FTL travel prior to them learning of the Dolmen Gates.



Maybe. But their other technological feats (eg. non-warp teleportation) must surely suggest they achieved FTL travel. It would be odd for the Necrons to possess technology that can snuff out any star in the galaxy with a wave of the hand and yet rely on torch ships as their fastest method of star travel (aside from the Dolmen gates obviously).
I think we're both on agreement on that fact.
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god does anyone miss the near unstoppable silent killing machines necrons used to be they go to your world in instants and nuke it
You mean Necrons with the Destroyer Virus, or the Maynarkh Dynasty, or the Court of Valghul?

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You mean Necrons with the Destroyer Virus, or the Maynarkh Dynasty, or the Court of Valghul?
as in when they were a united and very scary force not them playing the game of thrones
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