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One thing I noticed though, all the Loyalist legions were outnumbered by the Traitors
True, the traitors did initially outnumber the loyalists (for the most part.)

Until you take into account their losses during Istvaan III, and Istvaan V, the Thramas crusade, the Shadow Crusade, the Battle of Phall, the Alpha Legion stalling the Space Wolves, and probably a hand few of other major incursions during the Age of Darkness.

Though about half of the loyalist legions were mauled leading up to the siege of Terra, the traitors were no less bloodied by it. And in some cases, they might have taken heavier losses at times.

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Interesting idea, sounds most likely.

One thing I noticed though, all the Loyalist legions were outnumbered by the Traitors lol.
We've gotten the numbers of 8 of the traitor legions, and only 4 of the loyalist ones, and the remaining loyalist legions include, among others, the Ultramarines who were the largest legion period.
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the Ultramarines who were the largest legion period.
Not quite period. The numbers of the Word Bearers are currently unknown. A Forge World book says that some sources state they might rival the Ultramarines in size.
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what it needs is better equipped imperial guard to honest. as in an stc with this http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...ldasseroni.jpg
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what it needs is better equipped imperial guard to honest. as in an stc with this http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...ldasseroni.jpg
That would require better trained Imperial Guard, which defeats the whole purpose of the IG.

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That would require better trained Imperial Guard, which defeats the whole purpose of the IG.
They kinda need it. Since the IG is the main warforce they need everything they can get meatshielding won't work for long
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They kinda need it. Since the IG is the main warforce they need everything they can get meatshielding won't work for long
Seems to have worked for ~10,000 years.

Don't get me wrong, I somewhat agree, but that goes back to my original point of needing better training. I can see elite units getting the cool kit, but when you rove around the stars, scooping up thousands and throwing a rifle in their hands, fancy power armor isn't going to make a hell of a difference.

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They kinda need it. Since the IG is the main warforce they need everything they can get meatshielding won't work for long
You don't realize how terribly the man-power to materiel ratio is slanted in the Imperium. Even the "common" stuff, like Leman Russ tanks can see centuries of service before breaking down.

Think of the time span that encompasses. A Russ that has seen 250 years of service today would pre-date the United States Revolutionary War!

And then the BIG things. Like terminator armor, Baneblades, titans, and battleships. Those things can predate the Imperium. 10,000 years. More than our total current recorded history.

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That would require better trained Imperial Guard, which defeats the whole purpose of the IG.
People always underestimate the Guard. The Guard is literally the finest trained and equipped soldiers of a planet. They're the cream of the crop.
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Oh i don't underestimate the guard with competent commander and decent training they can do wonders. Still thats not the case for many regiments.

as for leman russ and other techs lasting centuries well that says a lot not flashy but built to fucking last.
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as for leman russ and other techs lasting centuries well that says a lot not flashy but built to fucking last.
Er, sorry. I made the last post sorta half awake. I forgot to make my point, haha.

Anyway, the point I was trying to make yesterday is that to the Imperium, the tools of war is vastly more important than the people. It's very easy to replace the men. The Imperium has incredible amounts of man power to draw upon. It's ability to manufacture new weapons is, relatively, limited.

The Imperial Guard isn't perfect, but it does its best to utilize its abundant resource (man power) while trying to get the most out of its limited resource (materiel).

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