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Default Renegade but Loyal Chapters?

So in one of my frequent regiging of my "to do" list where I rearrange minis from one force to the other I came across 3 Marines spare that I thought I would use in my Radical =I= force that has about 3 minis painted and another 15 waiting in parts, it's turning into a bit of a "Need a home for cool minis" type deal. Anyway due to the =I= in charge being a Radical it means that the Marines couldn't be from a chapter that is "loyal to the accepted rules of engagement" shall we say. I'd like to have at least two different chapters represented maybe have each from a different one. This doesn't leave many chapters, the options being:

- Lost or broken chapters where there aren't many/if any survivors and as such the marines are forced to operate outside the accepted.
- The Mentor Legion: Not known for working with Radical =I='s but given their old fluff it wouldn't be a stretch I don't think especially seeing as this =I= in particular isn't full blown open Radical. That and I've already got one in one of my other forces so I'd like to avoid them.
- DIY Chapter: This is the fall back option but one I would quite like to avoid for all three at least.
- Black Shields - Seems a bit of a cop out, maybe one if I am really desperate, it'd be a toss up between this and DIY.
- Renegade Chapters. This is the option I am most interested in but during my brief look last night finding many examples is tricky:

Relictors are a must obviously seeing as they got the hell bitch slapped out of them by the Grey Knights after a rival Radical got pissy at them for half inching a deamon weapon so that's one. The only other one I could really find was the Knights of Blood, a BA second founding but the color scheme really doesn't appeal to me. The other option is the Soul Drinkers but not really a huge fan of them and a lot has been written on them (several novels worth) so there isn't much room to use them.

Anybody know of any others?
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Renegade chapters
Soul Drinkers, note I have only read the 1st 3 books
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Broken:
Legion of the Damned, sort of
Crimson Castelians, Split into loyal and renegade
Tiger Claws, most have turned to Red Corsairs but you could have a few still loyal
Venom Thorns, only 1 possible alive, after fighting and being reduced to about 100 sm a IF Chaplin arrived and started killing them all, he left the planet with 1 round out of 100.
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This doesn't leave many chapters, the options being:

- Lost or broken chapters where there aren't many/if any survivors and as such the marines are forced to operate outside the accepted.
May seem a little cliche Jac, but seeing as this week/month is all "CRIMSON SLAUGHTER" you could do them as the Crimson Sabres. As i'm currently reading in the supplement, a few companies of marines detached from Kranon and his Slaughterers when he decided to go rogue because they were still loyal to the Emperor, even though the =I= had branded them excommunication. Further reading indicates that some of the loyal chapters have seen the Crimson Sabres fighting the enemies of the Imperium then bugging the hell out before the Loyalists kick their arses. Could be interesting?

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Legion of the Damned, sort of - Problematic due to their way of showing up where they are needed by unknown means, etc
Crimson Castelians, Split into loyal and renegade - Haven't heard of them, will look into them, thanks!
Tiger Claws, most have turned to Red Corsairs but you could have a few still loyal Would prefer to stay away from them due to their proximity to the Badab War and how it's been plotted out what happens to them.
Venom Thorns, only 1 possible alive, after fighting and being reduced to about 100 sm a IF Chaplin arrived and started killing them all, he left the planet with 1 round out of 100. Another chapter I haven't heard of, thanks I will look into these as well.
Thanks locast, I will look into both of those, I hadn't heard of either of them.

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May seem a little cliche Jac, but seeing as this week/month is all "CRIMSON SLAUGHTER" you could do them as the Crimson Sabres. As I'm currently reading in the supplement, a few companies of marines detached from Kranon and his Slaughterers when he decided to go rogue because they were still loyal to the Emperor, even though the =I= had branded them excommunication. Further reading indicates that some of the loyal chapters have seen the Crimson Sabres fighting the enemies of the Imperium then bugging the hell out before the Loyalists kick their arses. Could be interesting?
I saw the Crimson Sabres and got excited and then saw what they became - GW's latest suppliment for Chaos instead of doing a supplement on a Chapter who fucking needs it! So ah yeah despite them fitting with what I want I won't be touching them. I'd rather not support that retarded fucking decision. Could I be considered as being childish? Yes but I'm fine with it. Thanks for your response though!

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saw the Crimson Sabres and got excited and then saw what they became - GW's latest suppliment for Chaos instead of doing a supplement on a Chapter who fucking needs it! So ah yeah despite them fitting with what I want I won't be touching them. I'd rather not support that retarded fucking decision. Could I be considered as being childish? Yes but I'm fine with it. Thanks for your response though!
I know what you mean, I've only bought the supp for the items, an item that gives a 2+ armour save alone sold me on it. Sick of my bad arse lords being undone by piss weak weapons because Chaos haven't thought of "artificer armour" yet... I'm going to paint up some of my unpainted guys as Slaanesh though and have them as my "crimson slaughter" but I'm going to come up with my own renegade chapter because the whole CS supplement thing is pointless. Just the items are needed...

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Black Dragons, Fire Hawks, Flame Falcons, Lamenters, Sons of Antaeus.
The Black Dragons are constantly under the Inquisitorial eye because of their odd bone growths. Flame falcons were declared Excommunicate Traitoris and almost completely wiped out, but some still pop up from time to time, so these would be a good choice.
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I know what you mean, I've only bought the supp for the items, an item that gives a 2+ armour save alone sold me on it. Sick of my bad arse lords being undone by piss weak weapons because Chaos haven't thought of "artificer armour" yet... I'm going to paint up some of my unpainted guys as Slaanesh though and have them as my "crimson slaughter" but I'm going to come up with my own renegade chapter because the whole CS supplement thing is pointless. Just the items are needed...
Haha a man after my own heart! I too have a habit of going "Don't give a shit what the codex says these rules are, I'm using them as this because it actually makes sense".

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Black Dragons, Fire Hawks, Flame Falcons, Lamenters, Sons of Antaeus.
The Black Dragons are constantly under the Inquisitorial eye because of their odd bone growths. Flame falcons were declared Excommunicate Traitoris and almost completely wiped out, but some still pop up from time to time, so these would be a good choice.
- Black Dragons would work well actually, first of all their color scheme is dark, nice opportunity for conversions with it and they have "relations" with the =I= as it were.
- Fire Hawks - Didn't think they were Renegade seeing as they fought on the side of the Imperium during the Badab War
- Flame Falcons - I LOVE to do a marine from them but converting a marine that is on fire is so far out of my skill range it's not funny.
- Lamentors - Already painted a squad of them (never again) and they are loyalist. The whole Badab thing was a giant clusterfuck of honor etc
- Sons of Antaeus - They could also work well, a really good opportunity for a conversion.

I just remembered about the Fallen as well. Could easily see a recanted Fallen working with a Radical =I= in return for his support evading the DA. So options at the moment:

- Relictor
- Fallen Dark Angel
- Black Dragon
- Son of Antaeus

Haha 4 options, pick 3. Would be interesting task doing the Fallen as the project may or may not involve True Scale and a Fallen would be wearing Heresy era armor.... How far away are the Dark Angels away from getting from FW HH love?
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Hmm, maybe the flame falcons or the marines malevolent?

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Flame Falcons are kind of out because I don't have the skill to sculpt realistic flames coming off the armour and while Marines Malevolent are certainly brutal and deserving of =I= censure they are also a bit bright color schemewise. Yellow is pretty much the one color I'd like to stay away from. Thanks for your input though Kreuger
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