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post #101 of 138 (permalink) Old 08-19-08, 03:02 AM Thread Starter
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and how do you know he lives? have you been to terra? have you walked up to him and sked him how he was feeling? please you put blind faith before your own reasoning. and im not talking about tabletop, i dont need a Black Apostle or any special Iron Warrior to kick a space marine player's ass i use tactics that i have primed to destroying SM forces. that aside im talking about fluff buddy i dont give a rats ass about tabletop i dont need special characters to help me win. my lords do not need to walk the battlefield because they know that when the time comes we will strike at the right moment and the imperium will fall. you call that cowardice? throwing your troops at implacable walls and certain death is more of a downright dumbass tactic then awaiting the perfect moment. if you dont think so ask an imperial assassin.
who says i hide from you? just like the imperium refuelling and arming must be done. as for the eye the traitor legions there are caged in it because the imperium didnt have the strenght to confornt us face to face like we did in the Horus Heresy. you hope by making fortress worlds and numberless fleets around the eye that you will stall the problem that has been nagging at you for ten thousand years. and even those blockades have not stopped the black crusades form breaking through and somehow lord angron and his numberless hordes of berserkers were able to break through on a measly space hulk? you reak of failure not I. just because horus could not finish the job does not mean my forces and lords were not successful. perturabo tore down terra's defences the ones built by the oh so implacable dorn and his fists. meanwhile half of your guard regiments assigned to protect terra were turned by lorgar and his legion and they fought for us deserting your side. those do not seem like defeats to me. when have the loyalists ever massacred three entire legions? never, you can call it trickery and whatever you may like but even when it was just manus, vulkan and corax horus and his brothers were playing with them read the HH books and you will find this out. those three legions were nearly destroyed to the last man and were put out of action for the nex two centuries. another victory for chaos.
need i remind you of the iron cage? dorn having to have his arse saved by guilliman because of his pride and thousands of his sons slaughtered. say that perturabo was a coward for not killing him, he wasnt because he knew that by shattering dorn's pride and showing him how below him he was that would hurt him more than if he were just killed outright. another victory for chaos. once again guilliman being killed by fulgrim, he cannot heal in stasis people stasis means time in that area has stopped meaning guilliman cannot heal meaning he is dead. another victoriy for chaos. abbadons 13 black crusades, 13 more victories for chaos, they were not aimed at destroying the imperium they were aimed at certain objectives such as blackstone fortresses for one. dorn's death on a chaos cruiser, another victory for chaos. the turning of the people of the imperium and many space marine chapters to chaos, another victory for chaos.
i can name more but i think you have the point, also mostly all the chaos marines you scum fight are renegades not the traitor legions unless of course you are stationed at the eye like the good mindless gaurd dogs you are. a marine with 5 centuries of experience can do nothing to one who has survived for ten thousand years. kor phaeron did not need lorgar to hold his hand did he? you contradict yourself first you say our primarchs hold our hands when we battle and the next you say they hide in the eye and do not lead us, make up your mind fool. i dont need special characters like mephiston or chaplains and librarians to kill in the name of the gods. the whole reason GW took out the special characters and rules for each legion was because they were too powerful. when i was able to field a black apostle with his own special stats and the word bearers' special rules there was no one who could even stand a chance at beating me, the endless daemons and the demagogue and desecrated crozius abilities were too damn powerful when in the hands of a competent player. as for my iron warriors they didnt have any special abilities with the exception of the servo arm, seige specialists and thats it. i didnt use those anyways and i still havent lost a match with them for the 8 years i have had them as for my word bearers it only took me two losses out the hundreds of games i played with them to redoe my tactics around our latest fucked up codex and the hundred after that i havent lost yet. as i said before chaos will win, you act as if the primarchs are not scheming or carrying out plans but they are you think they woulf just sit idle on their planets? why do you thin so many chaos cults are sprining up? so many forge worlds are suddenly degenerating into chaos until csm arrive to take over? they have a plan and have had one for thousands of years and have been carrying it out, they are just more patient then you or your pisspoor battlebrothers.

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"A fortress is a living thing: the commander its brain, the walls its bones, the sensors its eyes and ears, the troops its blood, their weapons its fists. This tells us two things: If one organ fails, the whole dies. And if the whole dies, no single organ can survive alone."

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post #102 of 138 (permalink) Old 08-19-08, 08:35 AM
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Damn, learn how to construct paragraphs, man. I stopped reading half way through because I went cross eyed.
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Well this thread is actually quite pointless, the Chaos Players will always talk about the strength of our gods vs the emperor, and how the emperor favoured certain Primarchs. The ignorant loyalists will of course choose to believe that the emperor protects and all that crap, and how the Chaos Primarchs chose to betray the emperor.

But the emperor betrayed our Primarchs. Other then scold Lorgar, he did precious little to stop his being Deified (loyalists still call him the god-emperor ffs). He used Nighthaunter as a weapon of terror, then got pissed off when he did it too well. He's a stupidly powerful being (at least according to the imperium), but Magnus realized Horus had turned and the emperor didn't. Not only did he not realize Horus was a traitor, he sends a barbaric psycho to bring Magnus to justice? He loved the fact that Imperial fists because they were so good at holding back a siege, but not the Iron Warriors for actually breaking Sieges (just as much potential for saving lives?)

Honestly WTF?
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The Emperor went to work on cracking the eldar webway technology. Which he kept in complete secret aside ffrom those who needed to know. Who else but his "loyal' sons, the primarchs, to continue the Holy crusade? It was no different than in ancient or medieval times when a king might send his son to war to represent his house. Samething here. Only Horus got his mind twisted by the lies of the choas gods and thought that the Emperor was betraying them(the primarchs).
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And why would his "Loyal" Sons as you put theme not need to know? Hell they're busy conquering the galaxy for you while you're trying to hop into the Webway for crying out loud? Why not warn at least warn them about the dangers out there, (which being such a SUPER being you should know about).
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Because half of them are little whiny bitches who sulk in the eye of terror or as i like to call it the crying corner...
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and how do you know he lives?
IF he is dead,the whole "malfunctioning throne"thing would be useless.
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and im not talking about tabletop, i dont need a Black Apostle or any special Iron Warrior to kick a space marine player's ass i use tactics that i have primed to destroying SM forces. that aside im talking about fluff buddy i dont give a rats ass about tabletop i dont need special characters to help me win.
You're not in need of SC? Not talking about tabletop?
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who says i hide from you?
I for one? If you are really so good at 40k,you would not repeat 5 times in a
post how "undefeated" you are.
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the imperium didnt have the strenght to confront us face to face like we did in the Horus Heresy.
Lets have a look:
Istvaan => 7 traitor legions against 3 loyalist legions.
Terra => 7 traitor legions against 3 loyalist legions.
you really confronted us. Did you win one on one? Surely not!
The only way you can win is against the unwary or unarmed and weak.
Everytime you had to fight face to face you have lost.
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Sorry,but i had to edit your illusions of chaos victorys out.
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guilliman being killed by fulgrim,

Didn't you miss something here?
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a marine with 5 centuries of experience can do nothing to one who has survived for ten thousand years.
you know my experience? read your fluff and notice that even normal humans
can kill a "geriatric" traitor.Your marines are a case for archeologists.
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the whole reason GW took out the special characters and rules for each legion was because they were too powerful.
I'm relieved. a chaos player agrees his dex is/was pure cheese.
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and i still havent lost a match with them for the 8 years i have had them as for my word bearers it only took me two losses out the hundreds of games i played with them and the hundred after that i havent lost yet.
So you're Mr luck himself (and the dice always with you and against your opponent)or a dirty cheater?

If you have a point please one at:
were the traitor primarchs really betrayed by the emperor?
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And why would his "Loyal" Sons as you put theme not need to know? Hell they're busy conquering the galaxy for you while you're trying to hop into the Webway for crying out loud? Why not warn at least warn them about the dangers out there, (which being such a SUPER being you should know about).
The dangers of the warp were at least halfway known to Horus.
But the rationalistic way of the imperium before heresy denied any beeing a
existence out of the material plane.
So the knowledge about the warp was restricted to a few persons.
IMHO the Custodes,the sisters of silence and the emperor had some insight,
the primarchs may be not fully told or to ignorant.
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i just dont know how to argue with loyalist scum they refuse to believe chaos is the superior because it has been driven into their dogmatic minds by the emperor that chaos is weak and the corpse emperor is the only way their level of pragmatic retardation leaves me breathless by the stupidity of it all and the pointless of arguing about it to those who just refuse to believe that chaos is indeed much more powerful, and that no the black crusades were not failures they each had specific objectives that WERE achieved you just refuse to believe it, that all of them were meant to destroy the imperium it does not matter even if they were the imperium will eventually fall in upon itself i mean their conquest has just stopped no more new worlds will rise and the ones that are held are being lost leaving the imperium slowly bleeding to death and u fools just outright refuse to see the reason of it all
The chaos gods are the only way they are all thats eternal they will survive forever the imperium is besieged on all sides and slowly being bled to death it will surely fall and u fools refuse to see the reason of it all u know not the true power of the chaos gods the legions do not sit idly in the eye they plot each world is slowly being picked apart by cults which grow in numbver every day that goes by when finally the chaos legions will come to lay claim to their worlds the imperium is dying and not even your corpse emperor can see it, this is surely inevitable and you know it to be true
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i just dont know how to argue with loyalist scum
It would help to use this => . and that => , and maybe paragraphs

Also helpful:
-to have a point,not just refusing to agree.
-bring a argument.
-use the official fluff,not your "I am teh best" selfwritten one.


Too bad that no loyalist is scared about traitors.
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