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I was at a GW store last week and got into an argument/discussion over his SM chapter where he was using an entirely new Geenseed. Apparently he said he took half the Geenseed(Ultramarine GS) of his SM chapter Master and half of the DNA from a very powerful HUMAN Psyker to get basically get SM that could be powerful librarians. This been on my mind since then. I mean wouldn't the human DNA/Geenseed(what ever you want to call it) be rejected or destroyed? I can't see both fusing to form an entirely new Geenseed. What are your thoughts?
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I was at a GW store last week and got into an argument/discussion over his SM chapter where he was using an entirely new Geenseed. Apparently he said he took half the Geenseed(Ultramarine GS) of his SM chapter Master and half of the DNA from a very powerful HUMAN Psyker to get basically get SM that could be powerful librarians. This been on my mind since then. I mean wouldn't the human DNA/Geenseed(what ever you want to call it) be rejected or destroyed? I can't see both fusing to form an entirely new Geenseed. What are your thoughts?



I might be wrong, but I'm thinking that fucking with the geneseed to make psykers would go over about as well as walking into the Vatican in the year 11 hundred and telling the pope that Jesus was a Muslim sex worker.

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Huuummmm.... Artistic licence, and a powerful human psykers DNA would likely be more robust than most. And to be honest, when making new Space Marines their bodies would have different DNA from whatever a Geneseed contains and should biologically conflict. Yet they make new Space Marines all the time (ish).
I think the guy's just having fun with fluff rather than what may or may not be cannon



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I don't think Geneseed creation is a known technology anymore. The Emperor did it, and he's not talking. Also, all geneseeds should have the POTENTIAL for powerful psychics, as they are taken from the template of the Emperor.

Now, if I wanted Ultramarines with lots of Psykers, I'd just make a successor chapter whose feeder worlds produced an unusual number of psykers, lending the potential more into the converted humans.
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He tried making his case work. I just stood there nodding my head and going 'really now?' In my mind am ' am not a damn scientist but what the fuck? How the hell? Only the Emperor and Arik Taranis can screw with Geenseed successfully.
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Yeah, the last time new geneseed was crafted, arguably, was the Grey Knights with two seemingly specific goals in mind, one was crafting powerful Astares psykers and the other was ensuring they were inviolable by Chaos. What the OP is describing sounds more like a Fabius Bile experiement, with his usual results, than anything that can be performed by 40K Mechanicum.

Hell, for Corax to even contemplate crafting new gene seed, he required a brain-dump from the Emperor himself... which he didn't really have conscious control over anyway.

I'd say exterminatus.

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Mixing Ultramarine-geneseed with non-Astartes, and psykers to boot? Hm would make an interesting movie in how things can go horribly, horribly wrong (mutations and insane
Space Marines). I mean I could with skepticism maybe accept Grey Knights geneseed mixed with Ultramarine geneseed. But that would be stretching fluff a whole lot in my opinion as mixed-geneseed chapters has a history of things going very wrong for them.

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I personally don't see sticking some psyker's DNA into geneseed and somehow magically popping out a bunch of powerful librarians as particularly plausible (or even simply sticking human DNA into geneseed to begin with).

The Blood Ravens maintain a high number of powerful librarians, but that is because they specifically look for psykers during the recruitment process. Even Grey Knights need to already be psykers before being recruited for the implantation process.

The only geneseed that I can think of that actually seemed to induce psychic mutation is that of the Thousand Sons, and we know that their geneseed was extremely unstable.

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I might be wrong, but I'm thinking that fucking with the geneseed to make psykers would go over about as well as walking into the Vatican in the year 11 hundred and telling the pope that Jesus was a Muslim sex worker.
Actually I think it would go better, an (imp) inquisitor would just shoot you, while the catholic one would take you to a dark cell and torture you till you recanted then burned you if you were lucky.
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Actually I think it would go better, an (imp) inquisitor would just shoot you, while the catholic one would take you to a dark cell and torture you till you recanted then burned you if you were lucky.
As long as you make sure you are so far over the line so as to be beyond redemption. I'd rather take a bullet to the head than be turned into a Arco-flagellant or something. And judging from the Eisenhorn series, for example, the 40k Inquisition can be pretty horrific in their torture if they think you might know something useful.

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