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I have recently grown interested in some of the older fluff, and must say I love Huron. That said, is it likely we will see more on them from BL this new year?
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It is interesting to note that the CSM Fluff is heading back on the up-turn after taking a few month hiatus. I don't read CSM too often (as all the "Blood for the Blood God" drives me up a wall) but I know that there are three main figureheads. Abaddon, Huron, and Fabius Bile. Of these three I think Huron is the most drooled over; mainly for the rogue'ish character that he has developed into.

From my understanding he was not a typical Choas convert, but rather a open Rebel against the Imperium and his fellow Astartes. He managed to gather forces of fellow Astartes Chapters and almost, very slim almost, managed to trigger another Heresy event. He stands outside the power of the Imperium, yet is not fully corrupted by a Choatic power. He is just the devilish Rogue with a evil and hidden agenda.



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Don't know really, with the Badab War books being covered by FW they seem to fall in FW's camp to develop, that said that is really the Astral Claws side of things rather than the Red Corsairs. I mean he has been mentioned "recently" in ADB work and is pretty corrupted by chaos which is different to what he was like during the Badab War (obviously), they are probably just waiting for an author to take an interest in him. Maybe ADB will after he is done with Abaddon.
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Huron Blackheart is pretty much Chaos Undivided, and a love/hate buddy of Abbadon as seen in Pandorax.
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I mean he has been mentioned "recently" in ADB work and is pretty corrupted by chaos which is different to what he was like during the Badab War (obviously), they are probably just waiting for an author to take an interest in him.
So he is offically corrupted now Jacobite? I was thinking he had jst withdrawn to a new hideout and had been healed.



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I know for a fact that he falls to Chaos after the Badab War since at the latest 2006 due to the IA article published on him and I suspect he has always been so (since 1989 when the Badab War was written in). I don't have a copy of the Warhammer 40,000: Compendium from 1989 though so I can't confirm it. Maybe somebody who does can. As for recent sources look at Blood Reaver by ADB, the Chaos Codex or just look at his mini, how many chaos icons and stars has he got? His rules also include "Champion of Chaos" and "Veterans of the Long War", both Chaos special rules.
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I'm not the biggest fan of Huron.

It seems like, just an edition ago, he was the poster-boy for Renegade Space Marines. The story of his fall was an interesting one, and his status following his exile to the Maelstrom seemed fitting giving the realities of the universe he lived in: his signature victory was the capture of a Space Wolves strike cruiser.

Fast-forward a little while, though, and Huron has suddenly been built up to the point where he's (seemingly) second only to Abaddon in terms of power - insofar as Space Marines are concerned.

Isn't that a bit ridiculous? Think about it for a second. The capture of the Wolf of Fenris was qualified as "his greatest prize". This happened an indeterminate amount of time after 912.M41, which was when the Badab War ended. His force consisted of what was left of his Chapter and its fleet, plus a number of captured merchantmen that had been converted into ad-hoc warships.

Now, take into account that Huron had once been the master of a super-sized Chapter (three times the size that the Codex allowed for) and the acknowledged Primus Inter Pares of a coalition of Chapters responsible for guarding against the horrors of the Maelstrom. When he went renegade, three other Chapters followed suit. In less than a decade, the Imperium had squashed his revolt and sent him fleeing into the Maelstrom with only a fraction of his remaining forces.

In the ninety years that followed, though, Huron "has grown his group of renegades as large as the Space Marine Legions of old." He has "dozens of cruisers" at his disposal. He has become not just a warlord, but a power-broker in his own right, providing the likes of Honsou entire armies with which to invade Ultramar.

The part of all this that is so difficult for me to swallow is that Huron Blackheart became much more dangerous to the Imperium after the Badab War with far less resources than those he had before it. I can't help but feel that his notoriety and power is out of scale from what it was once intended to be... and that the justifications for it are just too broad, vague, and unconvincing.

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Well, someone having 20.000+ space marines under their command is someone to truly worry about.
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I honestly don't now how many Space Marines Huron has under his command. If he has 20,000, then I have even stronger feelings about where he's at in terms of his power.

Again, I'm not opposed to Huron being this very powerful warlord. I'm simply less than impressed at how Huron went from A to B. The more powerful he is at this point, the more jarring it is... given the utter lack of background on how he gained all this power.

I don't know, maybe I'm missing crucial material.

I'm familiar with last edition's Codex: Chaos Space Marines, which outlines the capture of the Wolf of Fenris by Huron and describes the state of Blackheart's force. I'm also familiar with the Imperial Armour books on the Badab War. I remember the Fall of Vilamus from last edition's Core Rulebook, as well. And finally I've read Blood Reaver, The Gildar Rift, and "The Skull Harvest".

That's my context for the character. And honestly, it feels like he goes from this hard-bitten survivor, pirate, and renegade to someone with unbelievable power.

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In ashort story from Graham it has been explained how Honsou got his army to invade ultramer near 999 (I think, fesival of skulls or something ?). This army was pretty sizable, I do not know the exact number of marines but enough to start a small crusade. Based upon the impression I got from gildar rift, Pandorax and red corsair, I would say he does not give away this army too a potential enemy if he does not have a significant army himself. Based upon the description in the short story (and red corsair) he is very powerful indeed and up into his neck in chaos.
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