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What specifically does a titan bring which the Tau dont already have ?
Rule of cool is what Titans bring to a faction that Tau lack.
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You're still thinking from an anti imperial perspective, what about Tyranids? How will a Tiger Sharks deal with being swarmed by millions of Tyranid flying creatures, or massed land based swarms? A single gun won't be enough and tons of hammerheads etc are not exactly practical or effective when they can be swarmed over. A Titan would give them the ability to wade through the swarms, carry heavier anti infantry weaponry which perhaps could be designed to face air threats to.
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Neuro-path engrams of Princeps Sidarius Calvin,
Legio Praetor Warlord Titan Semper Sanctus.
Northern Polar Defence Grid. 745.M41

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03:58 hours: Channel 564/M3.
Damn it, I said to watch for overheats Moderati Decius! Assign yourself one hour in the shriving chamber upon this battle's conclusion. Princeps Calvin to Engineer Calder give me striding speed, we take the fight to the alien scum! I see fluid leaking from its hide. Ready chain fist generators! And someone clear the smaller creatures from the legs of my titan! They slow us down...
04:01 hours: Channel 564/lvl�.
Death to all enemies of the Emperor! Free up those turbo lasers Moderati Decius, burn through the tentacles! Get that chain fist free! Stepping back. No! We cannot move! Engineer Calder what the hell are you doing down there? Give me power to the legs! What do you mean we have power? Then why are we not moving? Imperator! The joints are clogged with the corpses of the smaller beasts... Emperor save us!
Being that the smaller creatures are seen slowing down and clogging the joints of the Warlord Titan in question, I reckon that a Tau Titan would not be significantly more effective against the Tyranids than the AX-1-0 or Hammerhead if it can suffer the same fate as the Warlord.

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Except Imperial Titans are cumbersome, I doubt Tau ones would be and I bet they'd have a lot more sophisticated defence technology. If Eldar can have Titans, I don't see why Tau would think they are to good to have some themselves.

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If i remeber correctly Tau tanks have a winning record in direct confrontations with titans.
Really, can I get a link on that? Not challenging anything here but it is hard for me to beleive that a Imperial Titan wouldn't just spray those tanks down in super-heated plasma and hellfire. Damn it Jim, they have Void shield!!!

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Except Imperial Titans are cumbersome,
I would make an expection to that; the Warlords are quite maneuverable. While I'm no Titan expert they have a good track record of Hit-and-Run on enemy positions with little losses. However they cannot survive a strait up fight with another Titan. :p



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The Ta not currently having Titans is likely a doctrinal and technical capability issue.

The Tau like to wage a mobile form of warfare, this influences the design of their military equipment. Their tanks are grav based, battlesuits have jump jets, Cadres have assigned orcas as standard. At every level there's the capacity for mobility.

As such their Titans would have to be able to keep pace. This would require, very fast, jump capable titans like the eldar's and suitable transport aircraft. At the moment they lack either. Titans sized war engines also require titan level shielding, something the Tau also don't have.

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Tau tanks can kill titans.
Hammerheads in sufficient numbers can kill warhounds. So can land raiders or leman russes. It takes a lot of them though and will be costly.

In the fluff titans are the apex weapon in land warfare. It may not make much sense but that's how it is in the background.

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Really, can I get a link on that? Not challenging anything here but it is hard for me to beleive that a Imperial Titan wouldn't just spray those tanks down in super-heated plasma and hellfire. Damn it Jim, they have Void shield!!!



I would make an expection to that; the Warlords are quite maneuverable. While I'm no Titan expert they have a good track record of Hit-and-Run on enemy positions with little losses. However they cannot survive a strait up fight with another Titan. :p
During the Taros campaign a war hound was killed with ONE strafing run from a refitted tiger shark. One or two hammerheads would kill a warhound.

A titan brings nothing to the table that the Tau cannot beat with their tanks.
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During the Taros campaign a war hound was killed with ONE strafing run from a refitted tiger shark. One or two hammerheads would kill a warhound.

A titan brings nothing to the table that the Tau cannot beat with their tanks.
If this is true, then how can anyone claim to stand before their might of "Building an Empire." ;) (Wink, Wink). If a few Tau Tanks can take down the most powerful weapons in the Imperial's arsenal then why would we waste time wondering if they need build a Titan.



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If this is true, then how can anyone claim to stand before their might of "Building an Empire." ;) (Wink, Wink). If a few Tau Tanks can take down the most powerful weapons in the Imperial's arsenal then why would we waste time wondering if they need build a Titan.
AX-1-0 Variant
First seen during the Taros Campaign, the AX-1-0 variant is a Tiger Shark that's been refitted for Titan-killing duty by replacing its Ion Cannons and Drone Racks with a pair of Railguns [1a].
The AX-1-0 provided a nasty shock when a strafing run from one destroyed the Warhound Titan Advensis Primaris. The three other Warhounds in the battle then withdrew rather than face such firepower.[1b]

I am not saying that the Tau are invincible just that they can counter Titans and that they dont need to build Titans themselves to fight against Titans to win.
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So they got what they need against other Titans. If they would develop something to beat wave after wave of tyranids I reckon they would make a long range heavy flamer etc. A S6 Ap4 Heavy2 Torrent would do the trick. Mount these on the hammerhead chassi and you could have three to stop any number of nids short of their biotitans.

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They'll need Titans if they want to expand.
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