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In the short story Kraken, a sole space wolf fights a huge tyranid monstrosity underwater. Becoming reliant on his third lung when his armor is breached and water pours in.

He defeats it and even survives, but is horribly mauled by the ordeal.


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Bear in mind that power armour has servo motors in it, so the water resistance can be countered to a great extent like that.

By virtue of being void-proof they are water proof (hell, loot at how NASA test space suits and practices weightlessness).

Any weapon that works in space *should* work in water, lasers and energy weapons could be interesting though. Plasma should just evaporate itself a super-heated path through, and flamers use chemicals so don't require an external oxygen source (think thermite).

It would certainly be a different style of combat, but shouldn't be anything like impossible.
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Most of the SM fluff has them sinking.
Brotherhood of the snake, main mentions could just walk to unknown primarch statue with his armor but that would break the tradition. The fluff you had said that they sank to the bottom and fight as norm. Soul Drinkers book, 1st, some SM got knocked off a boat and sank, Serp said that if they were lucky they would get crushed otherwise they would either suffocate or starve to death. Fulgrim (HH) Mentioned similar on Lyr (opening planet)
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Most of the SM fluff has them sinking.
Brotherhood of the snake, main mentions could just walk to unknown primarch statue with his armor but that would break the tradition. The fluff you had said that they sank to the bottom and fight as norm. Soul Drinkers book, 1st, some SM got knocked off a boat and sank, Serp said that if they were lucky they would get crushed otherwise they would either suffocate or starve to death. Fulgrim (HH) Mentioned similar on Lyr (opening planet)
Seems incorrect, especially the suffocating part, they have a third lung that can use water afterall, hell we have stories of them hunting sea creatures with and without armour without sinking.
probably just another mistake, different authors saying different things
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I don't see how this is a problem. If they sink what's the big deal they do have teleporters.
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Seems incorrect, especially the suffocating part, they have a third lung that can use water afterall, hell we have stories of them hunting sea creatures with and without armour without sinking.
probably just another mistake, different authors saying different things
My knowledge is that the third lung doesn't work forever, it's a stopgap measure that given enough time will stop working, brotherhood it worked for what 12 hrs straight.

There was a thread like this awhile ago, I think it was started by the same piece of fluff, in which someone cited, one of the spec games which stated that Scout armor was light enough to swim in while unmodified SM armor without mods would sink.

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Phase 9: This additional lung activates when a Space Marine needs to breathe in low-oxygen or poisoned atmospheres, and even water. The natural lungs are closed off by a sphincter muscle associated with the multi-lung and the implanted organ takes over breathing operations. It has highly efficient toxin dispersal systems.


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The Space Wolves codex describes a story in which they fought the Tau under an ocean (p. 20). Though possibly only landraiders and Terminators actually fought under the water.


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We just haven't had writers write about this because its probably somewhat difficult to have action scenes take place underwater without sounding boring.
It's not sounding boring that's the problem but trying to write it so that it technologically makes sense because as this thread is beginning to demonstrate, that's not easy.

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In the short story Kraken, a sole space wolf fights a huge tyranid monstrosity underwater. Becoming reliant on his third lung when his armor is breached and water pours in.
Depending on the depth in question, if his armor is breached I have to wonder how he survives the pressure.


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Bear in mind that power armour has servo motors in it, so the water resistance can be countered to a great extent like that.
Servo motors in the armor won't help them move forward much as their feet are small compared to their bodies. Why do you think divers wear fins, ducks have webbed feet and fish have membranes in their fins? Under water you don't need power as much as you need surface area to displace the water and push you forwards (or upwards/backwards etc). That's what fins provide. This is even more important when you weigh a tonne. It's either that or you need jets or propellers.

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I don't see how this is a problem. If they sink what's the big deal they do have teleporters.
It's just TDA that is teleporter capable, not PA. Underwater, especially at depth you also have the issue of pressure fighting against you, you move slower. Teleporters won't help with that.
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It's not sounding boring that's the problem but trying to write it so that it technologically makes sense because as this thread is beginning to demonstrate, that's not easy.



Depending on the depth in question, if his armor is breached I have to wonder how he survives the pressure.




Servo motors in the armor won't help them move forward much as their feet are small compared to their bodies. Why do you think divers wear fins, ducks have webbed feet and fish have membranes in their fins? Under water you don't need power as much as you need surface area to displace the water and push you forwards (or upwards/backwards etc). That's what fins provide. This is even more important when you weigh a tonne. It's either that or you need jets or propellers.



It's just TDA that is teleporter capable, not PA. Underwater, especially at depth you also have the issue of pressure fighting against you, you move slower. Teleporters won't help with that.
What about all those times humans and standard marines are teleported?
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They have? I was under the impression that it was just TDA or GK strike squads thanks to their "we have to have something cooler than Jump Packs because Ward wuvs us".
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