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Gonna have to go with Chompy Bits! Back to the topic I'd say The Primarchs were extremely tough, not invincible but def taking down scores of SM before getting injured and even then with there natural healing abilities able to keep on fighting, maybe even 100+ during Istavan but that hasn't been verified
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i thought lorgar was one of the weakest of the primarchs in terms of fighting ability?

was he a powerful psyker? on magnus level?
Not on Magnus's level, no, but still seemingly far more so than the rest of his brothers. In Aurelian, Lorgar defeats An'ggrath the Unbound in single combat, and he was the most powerful Bloodthirster ever to materialise into reality. Also, in Betrayer, Lorgar's thoughts drift into relishing the next time he encounters Corax: "He [Lorgar] even, in his less humble moments, hungered to face Corax again. Things wouldn't play out so perfectly in the Raven Lord's favour next time - of that, Lorgar was sure." *ominous dirge*
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There is many feats in the books of the strength of Primarchs and their durability.

Fulgrim physically choked a Avatar of Khain to death. This means his Skin is durable enough to withstand Lava heats, and strong enough to choke a statue lol.
Lion El Jhonson and Luther battling cause the castle like fort they were on to crumble in large pieces from the aftershocks of their blows.
Vulcan I beleive cause a minor earth quake pounding the ground.
Angron survived a mountain falling on him, and then dug through the quoted 1000s of tons with little effort.
When Fulgrim fought Manus in their first battle, Manus took a Thunder Hammer to the head, only for a slight KO.
Horus had a space ship fall, and pierce his chest. Yet he through it off him, and healed right up.

In short..... Primarchs feats in books put them LEAGUES ahead of Marine, and even superior to most Daemon Princes. They are more akin to powerful Greater Deamons than anything.
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According to my experience, Primarch power level varies greatly. Namely, it depends on factors such as author, book, situation, and simple entertainment.

For example, most of the Primarchs almost casually massacre whole squads of Space Marines at once, but our 'Avenging Son' almost get killed by an Alpha Legion hit squadㅡeven if he is completely unarmed and defenceless, I think it is a little absurd, especially when compared to the Night Haunter, who take a active role in the same novel. In the previous HH series, Primarchs are portrayed consistently virtually impervious to 'mere' boltershall variants and withstand a direct hit by tank guns and aerial bombardments without a scratch.

Another great example of elastic power level of Primarchs is the Lord of Raven. In the previous novels(such as 'The First Heretic' and several of short stories) Corvus Corax not only slaughtered whole army of Gal Vorbak and annihilated most of them but also rip apart Predator tanks and endured all of the punishments.
Whereas in novella Corax: Soulforge, he almost get killed by 3 Defiler(if there is no air support, he would certainly have died) and struggled with a mere mutated Chaos sorcerer, and he was not even particularly powerful or renowned one.

If there is any solid consistency in Primarch power level, it is that even if Primarchs in their weakest state, he could slay full-blown veteran Astartes like they are 5 year old child. Then again, there is exceptions like Kor Phaeron, 13th Primarch again almost get killed by a mere half-Astartes, and only through exploiting Master of Faith's chronic hubris Roboute could defeat himㅡand at the same time, Leman Russ was practically inviolable almost all of the Warp magick except ones wielded by his brother equal and future nemesis, the Crimson King.

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It may have been awhile since I've read the books, but I'm pretty sure a primarch took down a titan at one time.

A single Space Marine could never hope to do that, unless he was monumentally lucky with his Lascannon.


Another brought down an Avatar by himself. Also an incredible feat.

For the life of me I can't remember the names.

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It may have been awhile since I've read the books, but I'm pretty sure a primarch took down a titan at one time.

A single Space Marine could never hope to do that, unless he was monumentally lucky with his Lascannon.


Another brought down an Avatar by himself. Also an incredible feat.

For the life of me I can't remember the names.
In fact, Red Cyclops successfully crushed utterly an Eldar Titan using his sheer psychic might, which is much bigger than standard Imperial Warlord, though it costed his stamina greatly.

Also, if I remember correctly, Lorgar and Angron destroyed a Ultramarine Warhound Titan together. Lorgar took consecutive point-blank range hit by Titan plasma blastgun and survived(though badly mauled, he managed to stand on his feet), while Angron held on Warhound's whole weight-which is 410 tonnes-alone, and then Lorgar throw huge rock through telekinesis which overloaded Titan's void shield generator, thus destroyed it inversely.
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It may have been awhile since I've read the books, but I'm pretty sure a primarch took down a titan at one time.

A single Space Marine could never hope to do that, unless he was monumentally lucky with his Lascannon.


Another brought down an Avatar by himself. Also an incredible feat.

For the life of me I can't remember the names.
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In fact, Red Cyclops successfully crushed utterly an Eldar Titan using his sheer psychic might, which is much bigger than standard Imperial Warlord, though it costed his stamina greatly.

Also, if I remember correctly, Lorgar and Angron destroyed a Ultramarine Warhound Titan together. Lorgar took consecutive point-blank range hit by Titan plasma blastgun and survived(though badly mauled, he managed to stand on his feet), while Angron held on Warhound's whole weight-which is 410 tonnes-alone, and then Lorgar throw huge rock through telekinesis which overloaded Titan's void shield generator, thus destroyed it inversely.
What he said, also it was Fulgrim who choked to death a AoK lol, how is even possible
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What he said, also it was Fulgrim who choked to death a AoK lol, how is even possible
And you have omitted the Primarch's hand bones are harder than Wraithbone(though his hand bled during the breaking process)! Oh, poor, poor Khiraen Goldhelm.
A mysterious thing is, as far as I know, Avatars do not need to breathe.
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