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hey all im currently in the process of planing a raven guard army and cant really find any information on schemes and the like.

in other chapters each company has its own colour rim on there shoulder guards, some have different knee pad colours, come have different colour helmets, but with raven guard the only thing i can find is
"The right shoulder guard trim denotes the type of Space Marine. Green is for tactical squads, red is for assault squads and yellow is for devastators. The left knee pad displays the company number"


so does this apply to all squads of that type , there fore all the chapters different squad types look the same? seems a bit strange if it is. Also ive noticed gw paint there vanguard vets with white arms is there a fluff reason for this or they just look cool, i personally like it and have painted mine that way but wondered if there was a reason.

on to my last question for now- anyone know who the raven guard chapter master is???

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A discussion of shoulder pad art, and general armor appearance.

Chapter Master: Not Identified, AFAIK.
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According to Both Lexicanum and 40K wiki there is no known chaptermaster or rather he is (Unknown). 40K wiki showed several different markings here. Other than that i can't help much more.

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GW seem to have shot themselves in the foot slightly with the colours in the most recent codex, as previously they had held true to the "Red = Assault Squad, Green = Tac and Yellow = Devs" design. However the 6th Ed dex clearly has photographs of Tac marines with red trim, stating they're the 3rd Squad of the Third Company. They have knee numbers to support this, however there are also Vanguard with the number 3 on the knee, which contradicts the "knee number = company" design. The Assault marines have no company numbers at all, despite being part of Third company as well, and the Dev pictured has a 9 on his knee because he is in 9th squad, 2nd company.

So what we can take from this is that GW doesn't care enough about the Raven Guard to actually come up with a scheme for them, despite being able to name every individual squad in the Ultramarines Chapter...

If we use the most recent examples (and ignore the Tac squad as a mistake) then we get:

- Red Trim for Assault, Green Trim on Tacs, and Yellow Trim on Devs.

- 1st Company Members are entitled to wear a white helmet (as displayed on the banner bearer and veteran sergeant) but the Vanguard squad appears to have black helmets and white arms instead.

- The number on the left knee designates squad number instead of company number.

- The left shoulderpad is always the Raven, and the right is specialization colour trim with specialization symbol i.e. Arrow for Tacs, Cross for Assault, Triangle for Devs.

On a personal note, the way I did my army was to follow the colour = role route, but my 1st Company had white helmets, with the exception of Honour Guard who were entirely white. 1st Company maintained speciaization colours, so Sternguard and Tactical Terminators had Green shoulderpads, and Assault Terminators and Vanguard had red shoulderpads. However instead of using red and green as the trim colour, I used it on the whole pad and used white as the trim colour instead to make them stand out more.

So my normal marines were standard, and first company was:

Main armour: Black (White for Honour Guard)
Shoulder Trim and Helmet: White
Shoulderpad: Red/Green
Numbers: Squad numbers on knees and transports.

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GW seem to have shot themselves in the foot slightly with the colours in the most recent codex, as previously they had held true to the "Red = Assault Squad, Green = Tac and Yellow = Devs" design. However the 6th Ed dex clearly has photographs of Tac marines with red trim, stating they're the 3rd Squad of the Third Company. They have knee numbers to support this, however there are also Vanguard with the number 3 on the knee, which contradicts the "knee number = company" design. The Assault marines have no company numbers at all, despite being part of Third company as well, and the Dev pictured has a 9 on his knee because he is in 9th squad, 2nd company.
When it comes to the Raven Guard's shoulder trim color, GW has always been rather...wishy-washy. Pg. 79 of the 2004 How to Paint Space Marines depicts Tactical Squad Gunther of the Third Company as having red shoulder trims. This is in spite of the fact that Index Astartes IV, which was also published in 2004 and describes the Raven Guard among other First Founding chapters, reinforces the shoulder-trim-color convention introduced in the 2002 Insignium Astartes. In other words, they've been alternatingly heeding and ignoring that bit since it was introduced.

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