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Default Human Rivals for the Imperium of Man?

So as the title suggests here folks I'm posing the question to everyone on any known(or unknown) "Human" empires that could rival or challenge the Imperium of Man. With the exception of Choas (because most of them were already Imperial Citizens at one point) does anyone know of anything that currently is or could possibly become a human empire with the force to reckon with the Imperium?



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There are undoubtedly human civilisations that exist outside the rule of Terra, but none rival the Imperium in terms of scope, power and size.



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There are undoubtedly human civilisations that exist outside the rule of Terra, but none rival the Imperium in terms of scope, power and size.
Basically this. The Astronomicon allowed the Imperium to expand as much as it did, since it allowed relatively speedy travel across the Galaxy(along with the Space Marine Legions when force was required). There is probably as many small human empires as there are other alien empires, and many of them are probably of comparable power to the Tau(aka not big enough to be a threat, powerful enough that conquering them would be too much effort).

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To be clear, the Astronomican did not allow humanity to spread those distances; that occurred during the Age of technology. The colonization happened during this period, followed by the Age of Strife (at which point warp travel became unfeasible... until the Emperor created the Astronomican).

No space marines during the inital colonization either. During the Great Crusade (which is what Geist got mixed up with the AoT) there were many human factions encountered from pre-AoS times. It is likely that there are some still out there, just outside Imperial Space.
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To be clear, the Astronomican did not allow humanity to spread those distances; that occurred during the Age of technology. The colonization happened during this period, followed by the Age of Strife (at which point warp travel became unfeasible... until the Emperor created the Astronomican).
Geist very specifically said it was the Imperium that expanded due to the Astronomican.

And the Astronomican didn't make warp travel feasible. It was the birth of Slaanesh that blew away most of the warp storms that allowed the Great Crusade to begin. The Astronomican did help, of course.
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The warp storms that cut off Terra and so many others was do to slaanesh's 'birth', think labor/parturition, and then there was one giant warpstorm that resulted in the eye of terror, think birth.

The warp storms didn't just pop up and then slaanesh was nice and got rid of them it was because of it.
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As I recall it, the Eldar's fall caused the energies of the warp to roil and increase, causing the nascent human empire to lose contact with it's colonies due to warp travel becoming unreliable. This is why the Emperor created the Imperial Webway portal, to try and ensure travel if it happened again.

The birth of She who Thirsts caused all that extra energy to be drained off and put into a focus, allowing the Great Crusade to reunify most of the known human colonies.

The warp was never "shut" to Terrans, it was just so dangerous to use only madmen and adventurers did it before the Fall.
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More importantly, there could definitely be more human empires out there, but at least within the known galaxy they wouldn't be large enough to threaten the imperium.

I've actually thought another human civilisation would make a good addition to the 40k universe. In a long ago thread we discussed possible new races. I thought a technologically advanced human off shoot could be great. Especially one which uses significantly more technology and is much more humanistic. I was thinking of a more egalitarian society of cyborgs who are all multifunction because they have access to do much task related data, they could simply load up piloting, or welding, or medicine, or combat.

And that a society which was scientific, humanistic, and egalitarian would find the imperium horrifying. They would see themselves as the rightful heirs of humanity and the imperium as a monstrous waste of life.

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The warp storms that cut off Terra and so many others was do to slaanesh's 'birth', think labor/parturition, and then there was one giant warpstorm that resulted in the eye of terror, think birth.
I know we're arguing semantics, but I'd figure the 10,000 years before the Fall would be closer to gestation since Slaanesh was only beginning to "coalesce", per the Eldar codex.

And the birth of Slaanesh did more than create the Eye of Terror, it also wiped out the Warp storms throughout the galaxy, as I said. From the Eldar codex:

"For ten thousand long years before the Fall, the Warp had been riven with storm and tempest, making it almost impossible for the vessels of the lesser races to travel between the stars. With the birth of Slaanesh, the Warp was becalmed, its rage temporarily spent."

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The warp was never "shut" to Terrans, it was just so dangerous to use only madmen and adventurers did it before the Fall.
From the Forgeworld book Horus Heresy: Betrayal, it says that during Old Night "...Old Earth, or Terras as we know it, was totally cut off from its colonies and allies."

We know that there were some gaps between the Warp Storms because Mars was able to send explorer fleets out to found new Forge Worlds, but apparently the Terrans weren't so lucky.
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I was thinking of a more egalitarian society of cyborgs who are all multifunction because they have access to do much task related data, they could simply load up piloting, or welding, or medicine, or combat.
That sounds really familiar; like something I know. (Looks over at Mass Effect 3 poster; then back at screen). Na it couldn't be, were in a gaalxy where Lightspeed doesn't exist.

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