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post #1 of 42 (permalink) Old 11-15-13, 05:54 AM Thread Starter
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Default No Stock for the bolters??

I knew there wasn't one, but it has been kind of eating away at me lately as to why the Bolters don't have stocks.

Is there any GW source that says they don't need one? I spend enough time shooting for recreational purposes to have a general grasp of fire arms, and I couldn't fathom shooting an automatic weapon without a stock. Well there is always hip firing, but how is that remotely accurate.
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It's rather funny but I understand SM s not needing them do to all the gene seed superhuman blah blah blah. At the same time why would a space ork shoota need a stock ? Idk but I'm sure it's only for style and or a blunt weapon handle if need be.
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If I remember correctly the second edition weapons compendium stated that bolters don't produce any kick so for that reason a stock isn't needed. In addition the bolters sight's link up to the HUD in the Space Marines helmet thus meaning they don't need to shoulder the weapon to get an accurate shot. Another interesting thing is apparently they fire caseless ammo so they don't technically need an ejection port but the rule of cool over rides that.
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Jacobite hit all the major points. The only thing I'd add is that, even if there was significant recoil (and some sources, primary literary ones, state that there is), a Space Marine's natural strength alone - never mind when augmented by power armour - would be enough to compensate for it. Beyond that, as Jacobite already stated, any benefit a stock would provide in terms of aiming (besides eliminating recoil) are trumped by the sync between a Space Marine's auto-senses and his weapon.
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Not to throw a grenade in the gears, BUT...normal humans do use bolters and in the 5th ed it said that if humans used a SM bolter it would break every bone in that arm, shoulder, and ribs, unless they had a augmented arm. There have also been reference in several BL books that humans can't fire a SM bolter and even when they fire a non SM bolter the kick is pretty high.

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a Space Marine's natural strength alone - never mind when augmented by power armour - would be enough to compensate for it
Doesn't the occasional Guardsman use it? Or is that something I've just seen on the table top..

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If I'm not mistaken only the Sisters of Battle use Boltguns outside of the Astartes. Guard use bolt pistols but never boltguns.
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boltguns.

Sigh and once again I get ignored.

Begs to differ.
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/ca...Id=prod1900033
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/ca...dId=prod40004a

That's not even mentioning BL books.
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Doesn't the occasional Guardsman use it? Or is that something I've just seen on the table top..
Good point. I still have those 2nd edition possibly Rogue Trader IG sergeants that had bolters as standard.
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(I use this one as Marbo, have just replaced bolter with assaasins pistol, and green stuffed it)

These ones. 2nd edition.

Thought this has probably been retconned...
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