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post #1 of 5 (permalink) Old 11-03-13, 07:35 PM Thread Starter
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Default Guilliman betrayed the imperium.


The ultramar sector was the best defended and had the best living conditions of the galaxy. The ultramarines were one of the biggest legions and never took near the losses of the others.

Guilliman is known as the best at logistics and organization, however the remaining legions were far more aggressive and could probably challenge any attempts that he would make to take over.

So he needed an edge, he created a system that would break the legions down into manageable chunks knowing that they would do their own thing, so all he would have to do is wait for a time when the door to terra is open.

However Alpharius got wind of what was happening and took the great risk of his true loyalites becoming known before he could defeat chaos maneuvered events to ensure that he would be crippled by fulgrim therefore preventing his true plan from ever happening.

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Highly unlikely. Unless Guilliman's mindset changed a lot from The Unremembered Empire, he really didn't want to lead the Imperium. He was willing to give the reins to any of his brothers--even Russ.

He was also at one point Lord Commander of the Imperium which gave him absolute control of the Imperium's military forces (including his Legion, the largest concentration of Space Marines left on the Loyalist side at the time). He didn't do anything crazy with it.
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Not in the manner in which you describe it. But there is a basis to suggest that Guilliman did betray the Imperium, see The Unremembered Empire.

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As hailene notes, he didn't need to betray the Imperium. He became the Imperium in every meaningful way that Horus had been as Warmaster and even prosecuted the Scouring. Overthrowing his father (pushing over the thrown?) would only buy him more problems without any commensurate increase in power with which to rule.

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Honestly with the way the War was going it was only natural the Ultra Marines didn't suffer such catastrophic casualties. Besides even if they had Guilliman would have kept his Domain at such top notch; that was how great his skills were.

Honestly, until the Nid Invasion, the realms of the Ultra Marines have had insane luck, but alos good positioning which has spared them the worst of the attacks against the Imperium. However now, especially in the wake of the Nid Invasion, thats slowly changing.

The point here gentlemen is that Guilliman alreayd had everything he needed; why betray his father. He was a King amuongst Kings, a priviledged Primarch if the saying exists

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