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post #11 of 59 (permalink) Old 11-03-13, 04:44 PM Thread Starter
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Good point there, LotN, i realized that Abby had to know Loken as a part of the GK, and thusly surviving their first battle.

And yep, I thought Epi was Z too, a pretty sad end to a likeable character tho. :/
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mh indeed a logical conclusion, on the one hand great that they have some consistency this way on the other hand, I really like the chum, seeing him in the situation explained above is indeed very grimm and again shows that chaos is certainly in the lead in the time of ending setting.
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It gets worse when you read between the lines, not just the book but also the afterword, and it becomes obvious just who Epimetheus actually is.




Actually you can't argue that. How would Abaddon even know that Loken was a part of that group if he believes Loken died at Istvaan? I think he met Loken again, and what followed is obvious.


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Holy shit! That's a huge thing! Well then we know what happened to him at least! Also, isn't implied they came looking for something on Caliban in one of the later Garro-stories?
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Actually you can't argue that. How would Abaddon even know that Loken was a part of that group if he believes Loken died at Istvaan? I think he met Loken again, and what followed is obvious.
Hmmm, I hope not. I imagine Abaddon is bound to find out at some point that Loken is still alive, and be suitably shocked, as will Aximand when I wager Loken kills him. But I don't really want to see a rematch between the two, if the result is just Loken losing again and being killed.
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Hmmm, I hope not. I imagine Abaddon is bound to find out at some point that Loken is still alive, and be suitably shocked, as will Aximand when I wager Loken kills him. But I don't really want to see a rematch between the two, if the result is just Loken losing again and being killed.
All this does is remind me how much of a shite decision it was to have Loken survive Isstvan III.



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Loken survive Isstvan III.
I think letting any loyalist on the planet live is terrible it make the massacre seem less...terrible and less like a massacre.
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It was still a massacre, just more selective.

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I completely agree that "walker" Loken was a crap idea,
did Abaddon take him with him or leave him (not Loken)?
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I completely agree that "walker" Loken was a crap idea,
did Abaddon take him with him or leave him (not Loken)?
Yes to your question, he did. He is screwed.
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I think the tragedy of having Loken lose everything he's ever loved, honored, and cared for as well as to be betrayed by his father and his brothers is a tragedy. The true tragedy however is the fact that living through it is the worst kind of hell I can imagine. At least if he had died (and had his soul destroyed by daemons in the warp like everyone else) he would know the peace of oblivion. However, he will have to live with only his new chapter and their brothers as well as have the shame of, unlike the others from traitor legions, having his father being the leader of the Heresy.
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