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So when john gram is discussing Vulkan's immortality, he name-drops the emperor, another perpetual.

What i was wondering, is whether it was already assumed knowledge that he was a perpetual, and not just god-like 'immortal'. I state them as different things because perpetuals can be physically killed, they just reanimate soon after (e.g. john and vulkan).

So if it is the case that the emperor is a perpetual deferring to the definition that if slain he can reanimate, i come to the following long winded assumptions

- if he knew he was going to die at the battle of terra, did he give up his chance at reanimation by being wired into the throne? was it so dire that he sit in it immediately to hold back chaos spilling through and light the astronomicon ? did he give up his chance at re animation to his full self
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is the wishy washy games workshop explanation that he is a "one time immortal", someone who doesn't come back, but via a technicality can be killed by "god weapons" or "god-like forces" (loop hole in immortality)

my reasoning/ideas are a bit convoluted, i apologise. Just wanted some other people's thoughts on how labelling the emperor as a perpetual changes (if at all) his "status" as immortal, enough to warrant revised conclusions about his shitty gig on the throne for eternity (rather than re animating after a death)

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Would be kinda sadly amusing if it turns out the Emperor did not order himself to be interred on the golden throne, but ended up there screaming for eternity and wishing for death that he might be reborn at last.
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Would be kinda sadly amusing if it turns out the Emperor did not order himself to be interred on the golden throne, but ended up there screaming for eternity and wishing for death that he might be reborn at last.
sadly i think its something GW will never end up explaining ... i mean, maybe the galaxy was ripping apart during the siege (highly likely, all the demon princes and demonhosts running about) and he HAD TO get into the chair straight away... robbing him of time to reincarnate
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So, my two cents are this: one time the light from the Astoromican flickered and a load of ships were lost in the warp. So if it went out, even for a few minutes, the casualties would be astronomical. Plus, since Magnus broke the Webway, daemons are trying to pour into Terra and the only thing holding them back is The Emperor.

So, whilst the Emperor could, in theory die and then reanimate a few minutes later, in those few minutes, daemons would have swarmed Terra and the Emperor might never be able to reclaim it, probably every Imperial ship in the warp would be dead or dying. Then there may well be other things that the Emperor prevents happening that would happen causing more death and terror for the Imperium. So he can, but perhaps he feels the cost would be to high? Just my thoughts.

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It's stated in various books that all perpetuals are different. Some will reanimate themselves, some need it done for them. Some will live forever if nothing kills them, others just can't be killed at all.

If he was going to reanimate, I'm sure the Emperor would have done so rather than be interred on the Golden Toilet, no matter the cost to whoever is in the warp. Because of this I'm leaning towards him being immortal, but killable.
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I agree that the emperor could no submitt to being allowed to die at the time of him sustaining his injuries from Horus
with the gods of Chaos acting the way they were it would of spelt doom for all of the loyalists and the imperium
I think that his a perpetual however and needs to be completely vanquished in order to respawn
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Also, the Emperor knew that Guilliman, The Lion, and Russ were on their way to Terra. So if he died in order to reanimate the three of them and their legions would have died in the warp. I would rule that as a greater loss to the Imperium than the Emperor being forced to stay on the Golden Throne.
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That made no sense. Also, the Emperor accepted Horus' gambit and teleported onto the Vengeful Spirit in order to end the Heresy as it looked hopeless. Horus did it because he knew he couldnt win without a drastic move before the reinforcements arrived, luring the Emperor on board before the loyalists knew about the incomming fleets.
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I agree with Khorne's Fist. There is no strict definition of a 'perpetual'.

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That made no sense. Also, the Emperor accepted Horus' gambit and teleported onto the Vengeful Spirit in order to end the Heresy as it looked hopeless. Horus did it because he knew he couldnt win without a drastic move before the reinforcements arrived, luring the Emperor on board before the loyalists knew about the incomming fleets.
The Collected Visions actually states that the Emperor was aware of the en route Imperial reinforcements before he attacked the Vengeful Spirit.



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I cannot dismiss the feeling that this whole perpetual/cabal backstory is going to end into some lore screw up of titanical proportions.
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