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Terminator is powered tho' where leather relies totally on the strength of the person wearing it.
I personally think it'd be harder to swim in terminator armor than leather armor, but that's just me.

Let's say it's juts as difficult to swim in plate armor as it is to swim in leather armor, per the rules.
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Didn't, in one of the Space Wolves novels, that the newly inducted battle brothers or scouts swim out and then down to a cleft and put an item of rememberance? It was a test to see how long you could stay down there. And I believe it was officially banned by the chapter because they lost people who stayed down too long. But every one still did it.
I don't know about that but in the Iron Snakes books the main walks along the bottom to a statue of the Primarch for the same thing.

I've always read about space marines sinking. Iron Snakes, the main character walks along the bottom, and Soul Drinkers, during a ocean voyage several space marines fall off and are said to sink to the bottom 'doomed'.

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I would guess they would swim better without the armour if they do that just like normal people. And I think even normal Space Marines can swim unless they have too many bionics.

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In Flight of the Eisenstein doesn't the main character emerge from a boarding torpedo into a chemical lake and swim to the top? Or does he just stride along the bottom?

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I would personally think that all Space Marines have some ability to swim. I believe in the Blood Angel Novels (in one of them) they attempt to attack a fortress run by Fabius of the Emperor's children, being boarded in their (whatever they called their boat) by a form of the Tyranid. I'm fairly sure there was swimming involved.
That's Black Tide. I wouldn't say they were swimming. They magnetized their boots and walked on the hull. But I was surprised Power Armour is apparently buoyant.

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That's Black Tide. I wouldn't say they were swimming. They magnetized their boots and walked on the hull. But I was surprised Power Armour is apparently buoyant.
It seems that buoyancy is mixed some the marines sink like rocks others hey float, but I've read more about them sinking.
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While Astares armor may be air tight, I have to wonder how it deals with extremes of pressure? A current space suit would be crushed like a beer can at depth and I've never read anything about the various gaskets and connecting joints being pressure resistant. I would imagine the Astares physiology would be more resistant to oxygen toxicity at depth, or nitrogen narcosis, but anything more than 40 meters you still have an issue with cellular tissue struggling against rapidly expanding nitrogen in your body if you come to the surface.

Assuming the above weren't problems in whatever variant of armor being worn, you could probably use the same sort of manouveuring jets/thrusters underwater as you could in vaccum, or just have a propeller attachment to the, um, backpack

What sort of weapons would an Astares (or Scout) use underwater? At the least, if bolters worked, the concussive force of a near miss underwater would still cause significant damage. Does promethium still burn underwater? Plasma weapons would be pretty useless as the water absorbs a lot of energy and the steam displacement blows the Astares backwards.

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I would guess a pneumatic weapon like a speargun would work, but with increased capacity like a repeating crossbow.

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While Astares armor may be air tight, I have to wonder how it deals with extremes of pressure? A current space suit would be crushed like a beer can at depth and I've never read anything about the various gaskets and connecting joints being pressure resistant. I would imagine the Astares physiology would be more resistant to oxygen toxicity at depth, or nitrogen narcosis, but anything more than 40 meters you still have an issue with cellular tissue struggling against rapidly expanding nitrogen in your body if you come to the surface.

Assuming the above weren't problems in whatever variant of armor being worn, you could probably use the same sort of manouveuring jets/thrusters underwater as you could in vaccum, or just have a propeller attachment to the, um, backpack

What sort of weapons would an Astares (or Scout) use underwater? At the least, if bolters worked, the concussive force of a near miss underwater would still cause significant damage. Does promethium still burn underwater? Plasma weapons would be pretty useless as the water absorbs a lot of energy and the steam displacement blows the Astares backwards.
The tau were said to use modified missile pods and Tau battle suits are able to withstand vacuum and deep see diving, Farsight and Tau Empire Dex 6th.
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A bolter round is basically a solid fuel rocket so it would probably still "work" under water. It would just be the hydrodynamics that would be the problem along with all that steam.
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