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From the HH books we've learned that the Emperor's great crusade was one of reason, logic and scientific pursuit that threw away all superstitions and theologies.

Yet at the same time it was extremely xenophobic. If there is one thing you can state with absolute certainty about racism and bigotry is that they are completely irrational bordering on delusional. So not exactly shining examples of logic and reason.

Now Big E's main goal with the crusade was to safe guard mankind's destiny among the star so it makes sense the dangerous aliens like for example orks, tyrnids, necrons and even shifty eldars would get a bolter bolt to the head.
But what if the crusade had come up against aliens like the tau that isn't inherently hostile. That have similar overall goals of making the galaxy a safe place, would prefer diplomacy over warfare and isn't opposed to peaceful cooperation, coexistence or even an alliance.

The xenophobic result we could expect from the crusade even towards an alien race of that type would not be the reasonable and logical approach Big E claimed the crusade was about.

So why was the Emperor so xenophobic?
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So why was the Emperor so xenophobic?
During the Dark Age of Technology, the Human Federations maintained numerous "non-aggression pacts" with numerous alien civilisations (one presumably being the Eldar Empire). But when the Age of Strife came the xenos turned around and royally fucked humanity over (the same happened again after the Horus Heresy). Alien civilisations couldn't be trusted, and couldn't be ruled over with an iron fist (by the Emperor) as humanity could. Also, remember, when the Great Crusade spread out into the stars many human civilisations that were encountered were enslaved and dominated by certain alien empires. It thus became very easy to tar all non-humans with the same brush.

They also directly fuelled and empowered Chaos, so that was another justification for destroying them.

The galaxy isn't a nice place. The Great Crusade was (arguably) a desperate gambit by the Emperor anyway, he couldn't have further risked his plans by sparing potentially hostile alien civilisations.

Besides, what was the alternative? Creating an Imperium that consisted of numerous different non-human species?



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People are tribal. Hatred and persecution of the alien gives the disparate cultures of humanity something to rally around; a common enemy. It makes the creation of a unified human empire easier.

Mankind has a healthy distrust of aliens which is warranted. Throughout history aliens have only tried to harm humans. It came to a head during the Age of Strife where whole worlds and sectors were lost to the alien, people simply don't trust them, or want to trust them.

Even the Tau, the most benign race still don't have goals compatible with the Imperium's 'manifest destiny'. The Tau arn't simply looking to make the galaxy a safe place but to subjugate it under tau rule; the greater good. If you oppose that you will be killed or conquered. The Tau are just as imperialistic as the Imperium, they simply have a softer initial approach and are more open to diplomacy.

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Because the Emp wanted a Galaxy spanning empire of Humans.

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Even the Tau, the most benign race still don't have goals compatible with the Imperium's 'manifest destiny'. The Tau arn't simply looking to make the galaxy a safe place but to subjugate it under tau rule; the greater good. If you oppose that you will be killed or conquered. The Tau are just as imperialistic as the Imperium, they simply have a softer initial approach and are more open to diplomacy.

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And they have more options than the Imp.

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The Tau's goal is the same as the Imperium, a galaxy spanning empire.

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Why was the Emperor Xenophobic? Have you met Asdrubael Vect?
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Well he is the ultimate human, unfortunately for all his goodness I won't call him a nice guy, and his hatred was without bound or reason at times. Even the ultimate and being is a quite flawed thing. Also the aliens are dicks in this setting so being xenophobic would be a good idea.

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Well he is the ultimate human, unfortunately for all his goodness I won't call him a nice guy, and his hatred was without bound or reason at times. Even the ultimate and being is a quite flawed thing. Also the aliens are dicks in this setting so being xenophobic would be a good idea.
Not all aliens are dicks The interax, The Tau..ok they can be dicks., the race that coexisted with humans in a giant flotilla, their last words 'We just want to be left alone'. The little scavenger aliens in Rouge Trader (RPG). Most aliens are dicks to the Imperium because the Imperium destroyed their home, would you be nice to the guy that walked up and said 'This is my house GTFO or I'm going to shoot you'?
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Ehm the Interex was humans who dealt with aliens in a non-violent fashion. That pushed the berserk button of Abbadon since he not likey that Horus dealt with them.

The humans have been known to wok with the Jokero, but they can be dicky as well.

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Ehm the Interex was humans who dealt with aliens in a non-violent fashion. That pushed the berserk button of Abbadon since he not likey that Horus dealt with them.

The humans have been known to wok with the Jokero, but they can be dicky as well.
The Interax was a human and alien empire.
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