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Does anyone know how he dies? He becomes one of the forefathers of the Grey Knights and then what? Does anyone know what happens to him beyond this point?
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Nothing is certain just yet. Yes he's being set up as one of the first grand masters of the Grey Knights, but there are still years of the Heresy to go, he could still get killed before then, decide not to do it etc etc.

If he does end up being a Grey Knight, he could be Janus for all we know(I think Garro will be though), and unless they do more Knights stories after the Heresy has ended, then we'll never know.
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I say he probably gets killed by Horus or a Sons of Horus VIP.
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I say he probably gets killed by Horus or a Sons of Horus VIP.
I would be very displeased if that were to happen.
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I think Garvi is still alive in the "present" 40k. I think he will be the answer to question he was asked by Mersadie Oliton , "How long do the Astartes live?". Answer over 10k years. I think he was cursed with immortality with the other Mournival brothers when they turned on each other. I think it is Loken who will eventually kill Lucius for good. In Legion of one he called him self the "undying". He said that the peace of the grave will only be his when the scales are balanced. Until Abaddon gets clipped, there will be no balance, thus he must live on.
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I think Garvi is still alive in the "present" 40k. I think he will be the answer to question he was asked by Mersadie Oliton , "How long do the Astartes live?". Answer over 10k years. I think he was cursed with immortality with the other Mournival brothers when they turned on each other. I think it is Loken who will eventually kill Lucius for good. In Legion of one he called him self the "undying". He said that the peace of the grave will only be his when the scales are balanced. Until Abaddon gets clipped, there will be no balance, thus he must live on.
SOOOoooooo OVER 9000.
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I think Garvi is still alive in the "present" 40k. I think he will be the answer to question he was asked by Mersadie Oliton , "How long do the Astartes live?". Answer over 10k years. I think he was cursed with immortality with the other Mournival brothers when they turned on each other. I think it is Loken who will eventually kill Lucius for good. In Legion of one he called him self the "undying". He said that the peace of the grave will only be his when the scales are balanced. Until Abaddon gets clipped, there will be no balance, thus he must live on.

In the Grey Knights codex it mentions an undying astartes fighting in front of the Golden Throne alone to defend the Emperor. While in the codex it is referring to Anvil Thawn, could they be referring to Loken?
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I sincerely hope not. He's had enough special snowflake treatment without also becoming some immortal being of legend. Bring Loken back from the dead was one of the worst moves the Heresy series has made.

I very much hope he's not one of those who goes on to found/train the Grey Knights and instead meets his end during the Heresy.

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According to Khorne's Fist, Dan Abnett was adamant about the fact that Loken wasn't intended to die in 'Galaxy in Flames'.

I'll be the first to admit that I haven't been a fan of how Loken was handled subsequently ("Cerberus", etc.). That having been said, I wasn't convinced that Loken had died when the building collapsed on him.
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In the Grey Knights codex it mentions an undying astartes fighting in front of the Golden Throne alone to defend the Emperor. While in the codex it is referring to Anvil Thawn, could they be referring to Loken?
You got a quote or a page #? I do think Loken was the first GK Eternal Warrior though.

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I sincerely hope not. He's had enough special snowflake treatment without also becoming some immortal being of legend. Bring Loken back from the dead was one of the worst moves the Heresy series has made.

I very much hope he's not one of those who goes on to found/train the Grey Knights and instead meets his end during the Heresy.
If you hated this move then what will you say when they bring back Tarvitz? I will say again that the main Characters in the opening trilogy were picked because they survived. Wanting them to stay dead wont help. Ive tried it with Erebus.

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