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Default Were the Dark Angels the only Legion to include non "true" astartes?

Simple question for a possible project I may do, I know the DA's allowed at least at first non Astartes to join their ranks, put them in PA and off they went. Were there any other Legions that did this as well or was it just the DA's?
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I think most Legions did well except for Angron and Alpharius with thiers though as the homeworlds they came from didn't really get brought into the Imperium like the other Primarch worlds did.

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Kor Pheron was not a 'true astartes'. He like Luthor was modified in other ways to get close to a Space Marine. There were likely some in many of the legions, or at least those whose Primarchs had suitable mentors or followers.

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I would imagine that some of the Space Wolves were of the non-astartes variety as well. It was originally noted the the Wolf Brothers (those who had fought alongside Russ before the Emperor came) were older than the nominal age for implantation but underwent the various surgeries anyway.

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The short story 'Wolf at the Door', by Mike Lee, described the Thirteenth Great Company as having been formed around warriors who had fought alongside Leman Russ for many years before the Emperor's arrival. None of them was "... younger than twenty years."

They were warned that the process of becoming Astartes would kill them, but none of them would be dissuaded. Out of the hundreds of the men who had comprised the companions of Leman Russ, "almost two score" survived.

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"Ever since, the other warriors of the Legion referred to the Thirteenth as the Greybeards. The members of the company, however, called themselves the Wolf Brothers."
Kor Phaeron is another notable non-Astartes, but the Dark Angels seem to be the only Legion to have introduced such warriors in significant numbers:

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"[Sar Hadariel] had been chosen to join the Dark Angels Legion by the Astartes, but in common with a large proportion of that initial intake, he had been too old to benefit from the implantation of gene-seed.

In its place, Hadariel, and others like him, including Luther, had undergone an extensive series of surgical and chemical procedures designed to raise their strength, stamina and reflexes to superhuman levels. They were taller, stronger, and quicker than normal men, but for all that they were not Astartes. They never could be."
I find it interesting that this was qualified for the Dark Angels... but not other Legions. There are a couple of ways to go about that:

1. The original fluff holds that the Legions were not all fielded at the same time: Alpharius, for instance, was found right as his Legion was being introduced. Under that scenario, the Legion that was the oldest - and thus the one that would have been fighting the longest - would need the most replacements. Thus, "stop-gap" semi-Space Marines might make sense until Caliban's recruiting got going. The newer fluff, though, (see 'Betrayal') holds that all twenty Legions were founded at the same time... albeit in regiment-size units (of "hundreds" of warriors) initially.

2. The Lion could very well have been intent on introducing the Calibanite element to the First Legion. He wanted the Order's traditions, training processes, and style of leadership to be incorporated by the Legion he inherited. The only way to ensure that would be to ensure that the best of the Order's heroes were represented somehow. That way, the actual adolescent recruits from the Legion's homeworld would have leaders and mentors who would bring them up in the same way.

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By the impression i have got, whereas Luther was more a chapter master type figure and not elevated into Astartes armour, hence although he was an enhanced Human, the Dark Angels still respected him. His past association with the Knightly Order, his skills and the fact he raised the Lion gave him the prestige of being a Primarchs "Father".

Kor Pheron on the other hand was given the augment surgery to give him a longer life span etc etc and was raised to be the First Captain of the Word Bearers, something i believe not every Word Bearer was happy with, an enhanced human becoming one of the most vaunted positions within a Legion? it should have been an Astartes not a half human or in some cases a half Astartes.

There have been the odd quote that i have read somewhere that believe the situation was tolerated because he was regarded as Lorgars Father, but other than that he was not that well liked.

I am sure there were others but Luther and Kor Pheron are the more widly known
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All the semi-Space Marines appear to have worn power armour. Kor Phaeron did, as did Luther. Also, see above.
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The short story 'Wolf at the Door', by Mike Lee, described the Thirteenth Great Company as having been formed around warriors who had fought alongside Leman Russ for many years before the Emperor's arrival. None of them was "... younger than twenty years."

They were warned that the process of becoming Astartes would kill them, but none of them would be dissuaded. Out of the hundreds of the men who had comprised the companions of Leman Russ, "almost two score" survived.
But they were still full Astartes at the end of it, not hybrids like Kor Phearon or Luther. The younger the recruit the better the odds of survival, but it doesn't mean older recruits cannot undergo the full transformation. I think the problem with Luther and KP is that they were well beyond the age that made it any way feasible. KP was already an old man, and Luther middle aged, IIRC.
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I though in First Heretic Kor was wearing Terminator armour? Slightly off topic but how?

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I though in First Heretic Kor was wearing Terminator armour? Slightly off topic but how?
Much the same way the Inquisitors do or how the Sisters of Battle wear power armour. Normal humans can wear power and tactical dreadnought armour, they just don't interface with it like Space Marines can. To normal humans its 'merely' excellent armour. To a Space Marine it's a second skin with a host of secondary functions.

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