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I was looking at the doc for Adeptus Arbites in the old Inquisitor game and came across a small list of crimes against the Emperor:
  1. Failure to make way for an Imperial Servant about his duties.
  2. Failure to disclose heretical thoughts.
  3. Failure to return borrowed materials of the Libras Imperialis within the allotted time period.
  4. Failing to conspicuously carry a side-arm in designated establishments (suicide law XXVC)
  5. Wearing garments of an offensive nature (incitement law CVXII)
  6. Speaking freely when in the presence of a superior.
  7. Improper disposal of the Emperor's materials.
  8. Defacement of Imperial property.
  9. Failure to attend the workplace at the appointed hour.
  10. Failing to maintain respectful silence in a sanctuary of the Emperor.
  11. Being taken hostage by the enemies of the Emperor, thus impeding the lawful servants of the Emperor's will.
  12. Failing to report thoughts of doubt.
  13. Remaining within sight of an Adeptus Arbites Precinct without do cause (loitering ordinance VV)

I knew the Imperium was a dominion of brutal and draconian law, but this is about the first concrete proof of it I've seen yet at the civilian level - and that's not even all of them; there are millions of crimes against the Emperor! However, I know why the Imperium maintains these laws in the face of its myriad, insidious, and powerful enemies. That's not what I'm asking.

Adeptus Arbites are said to be willing to punish wrongdoers for even the smallest crime, in that same document. How would the "ideal" servant of the Imperium behave, one perfectly obedient to Imperial Law and Ecclesiastical doctrine? Without the protection of status - without being a Space Marine or Inquisitor, for example - is it possible to be an "effective" Imperial servant without being totally loyal by the stringent standards of Imperial law or totally pious?

Finally, as I said before, there are millions of crimes against the Emperor with which an Imperial citizen can be charged. Is enforcing them all humanly possible for the Adeptus Arbites, even given their status as exceptional human beings? If not, could Imperial Law be seen as just a blanket mandate for Arbites personnel to be as brutal and vigilant as possible?

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Sounds to me like some British GW humor and nothing more.

Like how there are certain cities in WH40k that are parodies of real British cities.

I've come across some examples on the lexicanum, I'll try and find them. But off the top of my head, Nottingham was made fun of and deemed an abysmal city or something along those lines.
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Sounds to me like some British GW humor and nothing more.

Like how there are certain cities in WH40k that are parodies of real British cities.

I've come across some examples on the lexicanum, I'll try and find them. But off the top of my head, Nottingham was made fun of and deemed an abysmal city or something along those lines.
Ah yes, "subsector England" as it were...

I dunno, man. Humor or not, it might make sense as far as justification for taking down heretics is concerned. Having heretical thoughts or doubt? Heresy! Failing to report doubt or heretical thoughts? DOUBLE HERESY! ~blam!~

I guess it's added security the Imperium in legal matters, where applicable.

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Well even though it is a humor piece it would explain why billions are willing to turn to chaos at the first possible chance, just to gain a chance to horribly murder their former imperial masters.


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Have you read the Imperial Infantrymans Uplifting Primer? It's got some more gold in it. I don't have my copy to hand but somebody else might. One of the highlights I can remember is if you lose said book you get a bullet between the eyes. Abnett makes a laugh out of it in one of the GG novels.
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Have you read the Imperial Infantrymans Uplifting Primer? It's got some more gold in it. I don't have my copy to hand but somebody else might. One of the highlights I can remember is if you lose said book you get a bullet between the eyes. Abnett makes a laugh out of it in one of the GG novels.
I have it, but it's not on me right now. It is indeed hilarious bullshit/bullshit hilarity.

I guess what I should really be asking is, are the Arbites really going to arrest people over a million different crimes? I'm sure they've got priorities.

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This topic has just brought one thing to mind..... tea and cake or death?

But seriously

The imperium has extream laws with extream punishment so its a choice of which is slightly better. Oppressive regime or death... both aweful but theres little choice.

Anyway all the rules have a reason i suppose be it to stop one thing or another.

Plus there can be no ideal citizen of the imperium since basically there all gunna die eventually...
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I think the creation of servitors was really an attempt to gene-engineer the perfect Imperial citizen.

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Servitors is what happens to you if you frak up enough with a machine and a friendly neighborhood Tech-Priest is passing by, I even thinks it's there in the Uplifting Primer inbetween the ways the commissariat would kill you.

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Grow, work, eat, sleep, and create many offspring for service to the emporer. Then shoot the mutant, heretic, xeno and anyone else the authorities deem as bad. Sounds like an estate run by the Papal States during the Middle Ages. Religious ruling down to a fine comb, with every punishment laid out in the book.

The funny thing about your Ideal Imperial citizens question is that it is often contradicted in the books written within the last 3-4 years. Alot of descriptions I read of Hives and cities sound more akin to a modern metropolis with the 40k Gothic style rather than the strict, religious driven world described in the Codex's. I was reading "The Last Ditch" recently, part of the Caiphas Cain series, and found the description of the captial city to talk about artisans, shops, theaters, brothels, modern media, e.t.c. Less of a 40k sense and more a Star Wars type city.



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