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Why are the DA so terrified of the betrayal that took place within their ranks after the Heresy to the point where they've abandoned missions, leaving regiments of IG and brother chapters to fend for themselves?

Countless chapters have lost some of their members to Chaos.

The Badab War was full of chapters that transgressed against the Imperium and yet were forgiven.

There are so many other examples. I don't see why the DA have so much to fear from something that happened 10,000 years ago and when only a portion turned.

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Because it's become their obsession. If it had happened now in the 41st millenium it would be different. But it happened in the 31st, in the wake of the Heresy.

Think of the original context in the aftermath of the Heresy. The Imperium has been sundered by a civil war. Half the legions have turned traitor, have committed the ultimate betrayal and stand damned forever.

All the loyalist legions remained loyal. Except one. Except the Dark Angels, the First Legion. Alone of the loyalists they had brother fall to Chaos. They alone proved to be less than loyal, less pure. It became their great shame and terrible secret. A singular stain on their honour, one which only they suffer.

Then think of the danger this secret represented. The sundered Imperium is slowly rebuilding through the fire and pain of the Scouring as traitors are rooted out and purged. The nascent Inquisition is establishing its overwatch and there is a hypersensitivity to betrayal. There's nearly a second civil war over Guilliman's reforms. Now what would the reaction of this wounded, paranoid Imperium be if they found out the Dark Angels had failed, were tainted?

The Dark Angels themselves stood lost and alone. They had lost their home and their father. They had played no part in defending the Emperor. In mankind's moment of need they had been found wanting. So in this climate of fear of uncertainty the Dark Angels make it their mission to find and redeem their fallen brethren, to never let their terrible shame be known.

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Perhaps the current dark angels are actually traitors and the fallen are the real loyalists.

Consider this all primarchs were scattered by chaos. Not all turned to chaos.
So why couldn't loyal marines have the same thing happen.

Aside from the lion and cypher who else can we confirm is loyal?

If they were trying to hide their traitor status wouldn't you kill off anyone who might call their loyalty into question?


Or perhaps the alpha legion is behind the entire notion of the fallen.
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Afraid? No. Just VERY determined to round up their Fallen and escort them back to The Rock for absolution and "redemption"...


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I still hold to the belief that the 'loyalist' Dark Angels are in fact misguided traitors, who held off their aid to The Emperor when it was needed. So the higher ups need to destroy all the 'traitor' legionaries stems into a fear that their lies will be exposed. Will it be canon? Probably not, but I'd like to imagine.
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Rems put it exactly as I was going to; it all stems back to when their greatest mark of shame occurred. Keep in mind that the Dark Angels are one of the first founding chapters, their name is one of the nine loyalists that can date their history and triumphs back to the golden age of the Imperium. Letting the ruling bodies of the Imperium know that they came that close to falling so far would do nothing but hurt them.

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I think it's rather more than the fact that they alone had members of their Legion turn traitor. Right off the top of my head, for instance, one of the Garro audio dramas has traitor White Scars. I would be shocked if they were unique in this.

The larger issue, I believe, is that the time after the Heresy was defined by paranoia and an attempt to maintain a delicate balance of power. Dorn and Guilliman almost went to war, and there was a deliberate effort to take away power from those that couldn't be trusted.

During this time period, the Dark Angels had lost their Primarch and had been forced to destroy (for all intents and purposes) their home planet. This, after their Legion's nominal second-in-command had turned traitor and subverted Caliban to create his own mini-Legion*.

In this sense, one can understand why the Dark Angels were keen to keep a secret. They might have had skeletons in their closet, but they had no reason to fear anyone discovering them. That changed when they discovered the Fallen still existed.

The Codex reinforces that, initially, the Chapters that would become the Unforgiven were among the hardest-fighting forces of the Imperium. But that would have meant nothing in M31 if the Fallen were discovered by outsiders. Would the nascent Inquisition and High Lords have accepted the Dark Angels' lies as justified given the purges and infighting going on at the time? Who knows. The Dark Angels don't seem to have thought that would be the case.

The problem is that, since then, the Dark Angels have simply upped the ante where keeping the secret safe is concerned. Any chance of being let off has sailed, given their litany of sins in pursuing the Fallen. The Imperium would not destroy the Unforgiven, of course, but they would put them on some sort of horrific Penitent Crusade, and they would certainly swamp them with Inquisitorial overseers.

* In this sense, it's actually kind of a misrepresentation to assert that "half the Legion" (a number that has no real basis) turned traitor. Point of fact, Luther was training recruits who were shipped off to the Legion. When he decided to turn traitor, he might have had a handful of Chapters besides his initial training cadre of five hundred Astartes. Either way, once he turned on the Lion, it's likely that none of his warriors considered themselves Dark Angels - or, at any rate, a part of the Legion (since the Legion would have been representative of the Imperium they were rebelling against).
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In this sense, it's actually kind of a misrepresentation to assert that "half the Legion" (a number that has no real basis) turned traitor. Point of fact, Luther was training recruits who were shipped off to the Legion. When he decided to turn traitor, he might have had a handful of Chapters besides his initial training cadre of five hundred Astartes. Either way, once he turned on the Lion, it's likely that none of his warriors considered themselves Dark Angels - or, at any rate, a part of the Legion (since the Legion would have been representative of the Imperium they were rebelling against).
Interestingly, if you read Milton's 'Paradise Lost', Satan claims to have turned half the angels in Heaven to his cause, during the War in Heaven, when actually this number was far less. A distinct similarity to here, no? Though also intriguingly, Belial is the name of one of the angels who was cast down to Hell...

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Great reference, spanner.

Of course, the Dark Angels have had a number of biblical names associated with them - some with good origins, some with evil ones, and some that are just made up and meant to sound like they are angelic. I think this practice goes hand-in-hand with the general theme of the Dark Angels: they are supposed to be "good guys" within this milieu, but they do terrible things in secret, for their own purposes.
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the other one being Abaddon who a name of the devil or deamon.....and funnily enough Abaddon in latin/Greek means Destroyer....how ironic
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