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One thing I noticed when reading your thread death jester is that alot of people say a Spartan with a spartan laser would win- that annoyed me because if a spartan had s Spartan laser- wouldn't the space marine have a lascannon, which, I believe, has no charge up time?!?!

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I swear I'm going to kill the first puppy I see next time I see a "who would win thread".

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In a fight, Space Marine, no question, what's a piddly little automatic rifle going to do against a rapid fire grenade launcher? But there are other places where a Spartan might win. In activities such as volleyball, tennis, those annoying memory puzzles and charades, Spartans could probably wipe the floor with your average space marine.

They have better manoeuvrability and have the whole 'yay teamwork' thing drilled into their skulls from day one until death. Space Marines are a little more willing to accept that one of their number can make mistakes or even become an enemy under certain circumstances, so they trust one another a little less and they aren't trained as much to work as a team.

Spartans are also able to function better with non-spartan personell that Marines with 'mortals'. The average spartan might try to help or protect a UNSC marine or civilian if it didn't jepordize the mission at hand, but most space marines wouldn't break stride trampling the guardsmen and civilians so he could talk to his CO easier or to kill one ork.

To those who would argue about Master Chief's exploits and such, take one look at the (in some cases horrendously broken and confused) fluff of characters such as Mephiston, Lysander, various space wolves and *shudder* Draigo. We're talking guys who literally live in hell and habitually slay monsters the size mountains or hold of a bajillion enemies for months by themselves with their bare hands. So, the 'best' of the spartans vs the best of the space marines, a spartan is considered impressive for killing a handful eight foot saurian guys, using machine guns, pistols and grenades, but a space marine can vaporise four or five of the physical manifestations of hell with knife and an angry yell.

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I vote Space Marines for the simple fact that they are covered in cermite armor and yet can move as flexible as a normal soldier would in full Battle-Rattle. Master Chief is a good fight, well trained, and hard to kill. that's all he has, a simple bolt round would end his life. +1 SM

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The Word Bearer is almost unrecognisable. For a nanosecond, the figure registers to Luciel as an unknown, a threat.

Transhuman responses are already there, unbidden. Adrenaline spikes to heighten an already formidable reaction time. Muscle remembers. Luciel wears his boltgun, an oiled black pit bull of a weapon, in his thigh holster. He can draw, aim and fire in less than a second. The range is six metres, the target unobstructed. There is no chance of missing. Maximus plate, frontally augmented, might stop a mass-reactive shell, so Luciel will fire two and aim for the visor slits. The airgate skin-sleeve is self-repairing, and will survive las-fire damage, but a bolter shot will shred it open, so Luciel also braces for the explosive decompression of a ricochet or a miss-hit. At a simple, subconscious neural urge, boot-sole electromagnets charge to clamp onto the deck plates.

He can make a clean kill headshot in less than a second and a half, two rounds for kill insurance, and probably protect the atmospheric integrity of the airgate.

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Master Chief is a good fight, well trained, and hard to kill. that's all he has, a simple bolt round would end his life. +1 SM
Last time I checked, the Covenant used used plasma weaponry almost exclusively...which pwn Space Marines....which Spartans have no problem using because they are not space knights that hate everything that is of xenos origin.

Of course, there is going to be some serious hand waving momentarily about Covenant plasma weapons "not being the same as" or "inferior to" plasma weapons in the Warhammer 40,000 universe.

I would also point out that the Gaunt and his posse of badasses curb stomp a whole squad of Chaos Space Marines in a swamp with basically no gear in Traitor General. So much for being more than human.

In sum, I think that there are fundamental problems that undermine any sort of comparison between the Halo and the Warhammer 40,000 universe, particularly with regard to Spartans and Space Marines. Clearly, much of the "literature" that features Space Marines is for ****s to **** *** at night. The reverse is true with game play--Spartans are clearly better. Good. Now please lock this thread so we can get on with our lives.

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And yet, its true the covenant plasma weapons are not the same as warhammer 40K weapons. Temperature for one. Compare plasma weapon overheating to warhammer 40K plasma weapon overheating. One doesn't do anything. Doesn't even harm the shields. The other has the possibility of injuring or killing the wielder. Put it into a spartans hands. He would be annihilated by the overheating plasma gun from warhammer. A charged shot from a plasma pistol only damages shields of a spartan. Put him up against a suit of power armor. It would melt the portion it hit, but it wouldn't do anything to the skin underneat. Charged shot from a warhammer plasma weapon. It can go through tank armor. Adamantium armor (harder than the armor they use in halo) A plasma weapon from halo would not be able to achieve that. It would melt the portion slightly. That is about it.

Space Marines can survive wounds that would kill a spartan several times over. That is how much more augmented they are. A spartan can lose a limb, but he'd be in shock (evidence from Fall of Reach). A Space Marine can lose an arm and continue fighting. He could lose a leg and keep fighting. He can lose a heart and keep fighting, because he has a second there to pick up the slack. I'd like to see a spartan come close to this. Space Marine wounds clot almost instantly. Not a spartans wounds.

Really the only fundamental problem that hampers these comparisons is the fact that they are from two different universes. One is set further in the future than the other. The thing that makes these two comparisons so prevalent is the fact that they are both augmented super warriors. They both have plenty of fluff behind them to easily make these comparisons. By mere fluff alone we can see who is better. Gameplay isn't a basis to say who is better. Besides, those of us who support the Space Marines can cite Space Marine the game as proof to the contrary.

We all know that actual named, important characters like gaunt are uber badasses with much experience fighting on the front lines. Hell, if you make it that long as a guardsmen, then you'd definitely be a defined bad ass. It'd be no surprise if they could take out a squad of chaos marines.

I disagree that spartans are better. They are not. You can believe what you want though. Its your opinion after all.

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Just would like to point out that Gaunt and his commando squad took out 5 CSM. With the help of a whole village of native huntsmen to distract most of the CSM. IIRC something like 350+ village people were killed by the CSM, wasnt like Gaunt and Co. killed them all by themsleves with no assistance from the villagers. Even if all the villagers did was act as meatshields.
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A Spartan 2 can flip over a Scorpion tank, which weighs about 72 tons. I can't see a Space Marine doing the same.

If you're quoting Spess Mehren books, the Halo books provide some good insight as to how insanely strong Spartans are...

Lets also not forget the text-form fellatio that authors tend to give Space Marines. Space Marines are tough, but if you want me to actually believe getting hit in the chest with a lascannon (Which can easily decommission a tank) isn't going to put them down, I have bad news.

Meanwhile, there are several occasions when Spartans take full-frontal hits by Hunters, who are wielding a weapon way stronger than any 40k plasma gun, and live. Spartans have shields too. And they can deflect air-to-surface missiles with their bare hands mid-flight. Thats how fast they are, and how accurate their reflexes are. The entire human race is getting completely ruined by the Covenant, and the Spartans can walk in and kill hundreds of them and come out with barely scratches.

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