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A thought just occured to me while reading another thread. This post will contain spoilers, so just be warned.

When the Emperor saved Angron from the slave masters and sent him to his ship. I do not recall the Emperor ever having punished the slavemasters in the first place. Why did the Emperor not just teleport down and stand beside Angron and fight them?

The Eaters of Cities were likely outnumbered but with the God-Emperor fighting beside Angron against slavers who enslaved humans -- you would think that the bond would be formed instantly and permanently. The world where Angron was found would have had to become compliant.

I just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. If the Emperor could stand against the Chaos Gods, make pacts with them, sit upon a Golden Throne for 10,000 years -- he couldn't defeat an army of slavers?

If he'd done that then Angron would likely have marvelled at his martial abilities and forever devoted himself to him.


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Good point. Instead he ended up with a son who would rather have died with his comrades than join his father and would hold that against him forever. It definitely seems out of sync with how he dealt with the rest of the primarchs.
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That's what we call plot armor. 9 primarchs had to turn to chaos. Angron needed a reason To. In case you didn't notice all primarchs who challenged the emperor never turned.
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That's what we call plot armor. 9 primarchs had to turn to chaos. Angron needed a reason To. In case you didn't notice all primarchs who challenged the emperor never turned.
Er, Mortarion.

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i wouldnt trust Angrons interpretation of events, nor would i trust the interpretation of the civillians on that planet.
if that IS the true story , then i think the writers made the emperor look like a complete and utter dunce.
I'd say it was more likely that Angron killed all his friends, so the emperor changed some of the facts in his mind, but Angron's mind being as twisted as it is....well twisted it.
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My interpretation is that Angron already had given up, he was already dead in his mind and wellcomed the imminent oblivion that would free him from the torture of the nails. But the Emperor saw different, he had a need for Angron that superceded the broken Primarch's own desires, and thusly swept him away and sent him to the War Hounds to wage battle upon his foes. Sure he knew Angron was dying inside, but found the Primarch to have been too much of an investment to just discard him.
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I think the Emperor wanted to teach him a lesson, a moral of some sort.

It could just be a piece of lore written without any afterthought. Perhaps ADB should expand upon it.
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I think Angron had an ulterior motive with his last stand. He desired to go out with a bang, to ravage and rile up the city states so much that they had no choice but to throw out everything in the arsenal in order to put him down. He wanted to die to end the pain, and used his talents in warfare to make sure a whole world was united against him in a collosal battle. And then, his father arrives and takes him away from his planned death. He have already given up, nothing more to live for, only going through the motions, a zombie desperately seeking the peace for his tortured mind in the deepest dim of battle that never lasts long enough. And if his mind finally blanks out, the Communion is there to drag him back to his tortured existence.
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Er, Mortarion.
I'd say that was less of a challenge and more of a dare. The emperor knew that he couldn't survive that high up as did the guy who found him.

Besides russ ferris and vulkan challenged the emperor himself. It wasn't a go kill this guy sort of thing.
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It's certainly a huge mistake of the Emperor's in hindsight.

It's my belief that the fact that Angron had 'failed' to become the ruler of his planet had a massive bearing on this. Relatively late in the crusade (approximately 100 yrs into it) and with Angron one of the last Primarchs to be discovered, the Emperor had less time to spend one on one with his newly found sons, and at that stage he was looking for stable, willing to become compliant worlds. If the high-riders appeared to control and peaceful, prosperous planet, and potentially had contact with the expeditionary fleet to suggest they would become a valued participant within the Imperium, then maybe the Emperor was unwilling to destroy a planet and it's population just to 'bond' with his son.

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